Is CDM making Stricklin's decision easy?...

[TrapGame]

And yet we have never had a coach that we let go that has had any success anywhere else- including McKeen. There is ZERO indication that we would have become a national type program had it not been for World War II. Everyone else had to deal with World War II at the time and most had to shut down their program for a year or two.

Again, we have been too patient for too little success. You went to the Liberty Bowl and beat Ole Miss in the same season? LIFETIME CONTRACT! Again, you can't name a coach in your lifetime that has been at MSU for less that five years. Croom and Felker were both terrible- we have Felker FOUR seasons to have a winning season before letting him go. We didn't let Croom go after losing to Maine, UAB, Vanderbilt, and Kentucky in the same season- or after 2006 where we went three games before scoring a touchdown and lost to Tulane.

We're the most patient fans in the SEC BY FAR. Most schools lose to South Alabama and want to run off the coach. We lose to South Alabama and half of our fans bring up Frank ****ing Beamer.

The way for us to be successful and AVOID this is to see the warning signs and make a change- like trying to leave every year, not giving 100% effort, lack of interest from the fanbase, and other warning signs. They are ALL there. Being patient is the WORST thing we can do because odds are those things are not going to change and the recruiting won't get any better creating a bigger hole for whomever takes over- and it also makes us less attractive to the next group of coaching candidates because they will see the garbage recruiting and not want to take over a major rebuild.

Great post Todd.

[Thick]

I did not watch the first half, and according to the board it was craptastic. I watched the second half, and I thought we looked like shit, and that was the better half. The defense is really not good....terrible pass defense and no one, I mean NO ONE, can tackle. There's no way this team can win 6 games, and might not win 5.

This will sound terrible, but I ALMOST would like to see us go 4-8, and get skull drug just so the freaking heat will be put on Dan's ass. Dan really needs to be HUMBLED until it hurts!! At this point, I really think that he believes that he's untouchable at MSU.

[Liverpooldawg]

Are you kidding me? Yeah you've got a good 12 years on me, congrats. Both my parents went to state, ive been going and watching since birth, literally. I remember before Jackie. MY POINT, which flew over your head like that bi plane thing during the foglesong years, is that we do not fire coaches prematurely. We never have. You are making that up to try to defend your defenseless position.

How was your golf game? We did win by the way.

[TimberBeast]

How was your golf game? We did win by the way.

I didn't play, took my daughter to play. Yes I know we won, barely. Thank goodness we didn't pull fitz like you wanted in the first quarter. Even heard that Aries got a TD. Too bad they both didn't see any time against USA or we might have done something crazy and won that one.

[Liverpooldawg]

And yet we have never had a coach that we let go that has had any success anywhere else- including McKeen. There is ZERO indication that we would have become a national type program had it not been for World War II. Everyone else had to deal with World War II at the time and most had to shut down their program for a year or two.

Again, we have been too patient for too little success. You went to the Liberty Bowl and beat Ole Miss in the same season? LIFETIME CONTRACT! Again, you can't name a coach in your lifetime that has been at MSU for less that five years. Croom and Felker were both terrible- we have Felker FOUR seasons to have a winning season before letting him go. We didn't let Croom go after losing to Maine, UAB, Vanderbilt, and Kentucky in the same season- or after 2006 where we went three games before scoring a touchdown and lost to Tulane.

We're the most patient fans in the SEC BY FAR. Most schools lose to South Alabama and want to run off the coach. We lose to South Alabama and half of our fans bring up Frank ****ing Beamer.

The way for us to be successful and AVOID this is to see the warning signs and make a change- like trying to leave every year, not giving 100% effort, lack of interest from the fanbase, and other warning signs. They are ALL there. Being patient is the WORST thing we can do because odds are those things are not going to change and the recruiting won't get any better creating a bigger hole for whomever takes over- and it also makes us less attractive to the next group of coaching candidates because they will see the garbage recruiting and not want to take over a major rebuild.

Actually Todd, McKeen never coached again. He quit because of what we did to him. Have you ever wondered why we never honor him that much? He is the only coach we have in the college football hall of fame because of what he did HERE. Yet he doesn't feature that much in anything we do. Interesting don't you think? All, we have ever done since him is hire and fire. Except for two guys. BOTH of them are in the college football hall of fame. They got the hell out of here because they saw what we did to McKeen, and they saw first hand that nothing had changed. It still hasn't and you epitomize that. Let's do something different for ONCE. What you are advocating is what we have always done in my lifetime. I want to get away from that poor old MSU crap. Y'all want to perpetuate it.

[TimberBeast]

Actually Todd, McKeen never coached again. He quit because of what we did to him. Have you ever wondered why we never honor him that much? He is the only coach we have in the college football hall of fame because of what he did HERE. Yet he doesn't feature that much in anything we do. Interesting don't you think? All, we have ever done since him is hire and fire. Except for two guys. BOTH of them are in the college football hall of fame. They got the hell out of here because they saw what we did to McKeen, and they saw first hand that nothing had changed. It still hasn't and you epitomize that. Let's do something different for ONCE. What you are advocating is what we have always done in my lifetime. I want to get away from that poor old MSU crap. Y'all want to perpetuate it.

I'm not sure why, but I'll try this one more time. We have had 3 coaches over the past 25 years. That is half your lifetime. What you are saying is simply wrong.

[Liverpooldawg]

I didn't play, took my daughter to play. Yes I know we won, barely. Thank goodness we didn't pull fitz like you wanted in the first quarter. Even heard that Aries got a TD. Too bad they both didn't see any time against USA or we might have done something crazy and won that one.

Yep, on all accounts. I watched it all. And watched every minute at Scott Filed so far too. I don't give up that easy.

[TimberBeast]

Yep, on all accounts. I watched it all. And watched every minute at Scott Filed so far too. I don't give up that easy.

You want a cookie? I've put my time in. It makes me sick to watch Mullen ball. I knew we would win, but it's garbage football.

[TopDog58]

Here's how it is going to work.

Scott or whomever is going to support Dan publicly- as he should. Until the season is over- and then we will evaluate things at that point.

At the end of the day Scott will do whatever he needs to do, but we're going to have to suffer the rest of the year more than likely in the meantime.

Yet our "we can't do any better" crowd wants to give coaches the Frank Beamer lifetime job because they are scared of change.

Sometimes coaches wear out their welcome and it's time to move on. It happens. But we always have fans that think there will always be some big media backlash if we get rid of a coach.

[Liverpooldawg]

I'm not sure why, but I'll try this one more time. We have had 3 coaches over the past 25 years. That is half your lifetime. What you are saying is simply wrong.

What is wrong about it, seriously? The only time in my lifetime we have ever sort of stuck by a coach during a downturn was with Jackie the first time. We dang near fired him before his best years including the lone west title. All we have ever done is hire, and as soon as things looked bad, fire, except for the above mentioned time with Jackie. Y'all bitch about the turnover with the defensive coaches, legitimately if you ask me, yet advocate essentially the same thing overall. Unless you cheat stability with unflinching support is the only way you will ever build anything that will last. We have never had unflinching support. The better we get the worse that gets. Same old State.

[Liverpooldawg]

You want a cookie? I've put my time in. It makes me sick to watch Mullen ball. I knew we would win, but it's garbage football.

You have no staying power. You advocate toughness, but you cut and run at the first adversity.

[Liverpooldawg]

I'm not sure why, but I'll try this one more time. We have had 3 coaches over the past 25 years. That is half your lifetime. What you are saying is simply wrong.

Yep, let's fire and start over. It's got us to the top, why should we change,

[Todd4State]

Actually Todd, McKeen never coached again. He quit because of what we did to him. Have you ever wondered why we never honor him that much? He is the only coach we have in the college football hall of fame because of what he did HERE. Yet he doesn't feature that much in anything we do. Interesting don't you think? All, we have ever done since him is hire and fire. Except for two guys. BOTH of them are in the college football hall of fame. They got the hell out of here because they saw what we did to McKeen, and they saw first hand that nothing had changed. It still hasn't and you epitomize that. Let's do something different for ONCE. What you are advocating is what we have always done in my lifetime. I want to get away from that poor old MSU crap. Y'all want to perpetuate it.

Yes- never coaching again = never having success again. If he was that good, why did nobody pick him up? Duke picked up Cutcliffe. We don't honor very many players or coaches at MSU for whatever reason which is something we literally just started a few years ago with our ring of honor which hasn't even been around for ten years. THAT'S why we haven't honored him yet. His time will probably come.

Royal and Warmath both left for better jobs. If they thought our job was that bad they wouldn't have taken it in the first place.

What you are advocating is what we have always done with the same result. And if you have your way it will be the same result again except worse because Ole Miss will be on probation and we won't be able to take advantage of it.

Name ONE coach that we fired too soon since 1955? You can't do it.

[TimberBeast]

What is wrong about it, seriously? The only time in my lifetime we have ever sort of stuck by a coach during a downturn was with Jackie the first time. We dang near fired him before his best years including the lone west title. All we have ever done is hire, and as soon as things looked bad, fire, except for the above mentioned time with Jackie. Y'all bitch about the turnover with the defensive coaches, legitimately if you ask me, yet advocate essentially the same thing overall. Unless you cheat stability with unflinching support is the only way you will ever build anything that will last. We have never had unflinching support. The better we get the worse that gets. Same old State.

So by your "new state" line of thinking, we should have kept croom and not hired mullen? That's exactly what you're saying.

[Todd4State]

I did not watch the first half, and according to the board it was craptastic. I watched the second half, and I thought we looked like shit, and that was the better half. The defense is really not good....terrible pass defense and no one, I mean NO ONE, can tackle. There's no way this team can win 6 games, and might not win 5.

This will sound terrible, but I ALMOST would like to see us go 4-8, and get skull drug just so the freaking heat will be put on Dan's ass. Dan really needs to be HUMBLED until it hurts!! At this point, I really think that he believes that he's untouchable at MSU.

The pass defense is the scary thing because we haven't even played a strong passing team yet.

[gtowndawg]

And yet we have never had a coach that we let go that has had any success anywhere else- including McKeen. There is ZERO indication that we would have become a national type program had it not been for World War II. Everyone else had to deal with World War II at the time and most had to shut down their program for a year or two.

Again, we have been too patient for too little success. You went to the Liberty Bowl and beat Ole Miss in the same season? LIFETIME CONTRACT! Again, you can't name a coach in your lifetime that has been at MSU for less that five years. Croom and Felker were both terrible- we have Felker FOUR seasons to have a winning season before letting him go. We didn't let Croom go after losing to Maine, UAB, Vanderbilt, and Kentucky in the same season- or after 2006 where we went three games before scoring a touchdown and lost to Tulane.

We're the most patient fans in the SEC BY FAR. Most schools lose to South Alabama and want to run off the coach. We lose to South Alabama and half of our fans bring up Frank ****ing Beamer.

The way for us to be successful and AVOID this is to see the warning signs and make a change- like trying to leave every year, not giving 100% effort, lack of interest from the fanbase, and other warning signs. They are ALL there. Being patient is the WORST thing we can do because odds are those things are not going to change and the recruiting won't get any better creating a bigger hole for whomever takes over- and it also makes us less attractive to the next group of coaching candidates because they will see the garbage recruiting and not want to take over a major rebuild.

Preach!

[Todd4State]

So by your "new state" line of thinking, we should have kept croom and not hired mullen? That's exactly what you're saying.

Exactly. Coaches the past 50 years:

Shira- resigned on his own to be the AD at MSU full time which he held until 1976 I believe.

Tyler- fired due to NCAA sanctions

Bellard- fired after FOUR straight losing seasons and losing three Egg Bowls in a row.

Felker- fired after FOUR straight losing seasons and losing three Egg Bowls in a row and no bowl appearances in five years.

Jackie- fired after THREE losing seasons and also while a NCAA investigation was going on.

Croom- fired after one losing season and having four losing seasons in five years.

Dan- ?????

[Todd4State]

Yet our "we can't do any better" crowd wants to give coaches the Frank Beamer lifetime job because they are scared of change.

Sometimes coaches wear out their welcome and it's time to move on. It happens. But we always have fans that think there will always be some big media backlash if we get rid of a coach.

Exactly. And I thought we were going to get some after firing Croom, but even then it didn't happen. Most coaches aren't concerned with how the previous coach left because they are too focused on winning and they think that they are awesome coaches so the last guy doesn't really matter.

[Liverpooldawg]

Yes- never coaching again = never having success again. If he was that good, why did nobody pick him up? Duke picked up Cutcliffe. We don't honor very many players or coaches at MSU for whatever reason which is something we literally just started a few years ago with our ring of honor which hasn't even been around for ten years. THAT'S why we haven't honored him yet. His time will probably come.

Royal and Warmath both left for better jobs. If they thought our job was that bad they wouldn't have taken it in the first place.

What you are advocating is what we have always done with the same result. And if you have your way it will be the same result again except worse because Ole Miss will be on probation and we won't be able to take advantage of it.

Name ONE coach that we fired too soon since 1955? You can't do it.

Why don't we honor our only Hall of fame coach Todd? Why is that? Why did he quit? You either can't answer that or won't. My Dad did, that's why despite his devout love for MSU he never allowed himself to get too wrapped up in it again. God rest his soul. You do know what Royal said when he left don't you? Obviously you don't. Yep the best way to take advantage of the Rebs troubles is to start over again at the same damn time. Y'all are doing their bidding, AGAIN. They own us, and always have.

[TimberBeast]

Why don't we honor our only Hall of fame coach Todd? Why is that? Why did he quit? You either can't answer that or won't. My Dad did, that's why despite his devout love for MSU he never allowed himself to get too wrapped up in it again. God rest his soul. You do know what Royal said when he left don't you? Obviously you don't. Yep the best way to take advantage of the Rebs troubles is to start over again at the same damn time. Y'all are doing their bidding, AGAIN. They own us, and always have.

I think you might want to just quit posting on this one.