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Originally Posted by
Coach34
Because State fans are so scared of being terrible- so many are satisfied with being decent than making moves to strive for the top. LT was going to hire Bobby Wallace to be our HC instead of Jackie Sherrill. We once told Steve Spurrier we werent interested in him. Our home grown leaders and fanbase are seriously flawed.
Coach34 with the post to beat all posts. I've got buddies who question me all the time and call me unrealistic and stupid for wanting more not just in baseball but in every sport and you just gave me the words I've been searching for. We should not settle for the status quo just because we are afraid to to take a chance.
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We have to win the West if we want to host, it's as simple as that. Too many other teams in this league are going to have very solid resumes. With a weak nonconference SOS, 17 or 18 wins and a 2nd place finish in the west isn't going to cut it no way no how.
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Originally Posted by
Taog Redloh
I think you overestimate our baseball programs potential. Just my opinion. I've followed this thing all my life, and I can say with certainty that we missed our opportunity to really jump out and lead the SEC when we failed in 1985, and then the follow up teams a few years after that. Now, after Polk's fiasco since then, I think Cohen is the best we can do. Those that think he isn't, I implore you to find the replacement.
I just said a name. We give Cohen two years to prove he deserves to coach in the new stadium and if he has shitty non host seasons the next couple of years, we offer the job to Dan McDonnell the keys to the new stadium and offer him the highest paycheck in college baseball.
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Originally Posted by
HSVDawg
We have to win the West if we want to host, it's as simple as that. Too many other teams in this league are going to have very solid resumes. With a weak nonconference SOS, 17 or 18 wins and a 2nd place finish in the west isn't going to cut it no way no how.
I disagree. An 11-4 finish and a strong SEC Tourney could make that happen. 19-11 in the SEC and a strong RPI will put us in the top 16 in the nation to host. The question is can we finish 11-4?
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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Originally Posted by
MarketingBully
I just said a name. We give Cohen two years to prove he deserves to coach in the new stadium and if he has shitty non host seasons the next couple of years, we offer the job to Dan McDonnell the keys to the new stadium and offer him the highest paycheck in college baseball.
Lay off the blue meth.
As far as what you said about matching OSullivan at Florida...BWA HAHAHA. Because UF has no advantages over us or anything.
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
I disagree. An 11-4 finish and a strong SEC Tourney could make that happen. 19-11 in the SEC and a strong RPI will put us in the top 16 in the nation to host. The question is can we finish 11-4?
11-4? I don't think so... I think we'll be 1-2 after next weekend. I doubt seriously we can reel off 10-2 after that
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This season is going to be fluid. I suspect after this week end we will some more flips in the standings.
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Originally Posted by
Taog Redloh
Lay off the blue meth.
As far as what you said about matching OSullivan at Florida...BWA HAHAHA. Because UF has no advantages over us or anything.
Just shut the hell up. You are the biggest asshole on this site. You don't even refute my arguments with actual real facts. Just facts according to Goat which by all accounts are figments of your imagination.
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Originally Posted by
MarketingBully
Just shut the hell up. You are the biggest asshole on this site. You don't even refute my arguments with actual real facts. Just facts according to Goat which by all accounts are figments of your imagination.
Are you aware of the definition of 'fact'?
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Originally Posted by
Taog Redloh
Are you aware of the definition of 'fact'?
You are speculating that we don't beat OSU without Graveman. You are speculating that if we have Graveman out for game one we lose anyway....you are speculating. I would have started Fitts in that game against OSU and relied on the bullpen fourth inning on like we did all year that year. We did score four runs that game so we would have had cushion. Starting Pollo in game 2 anyway was conceding defeat.
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
I disagree. An 11-4 finish and a strong SEC Tourney could make that happen. 19-11 in the SEC and a strong RPI will put us in the top 16 in the nation to host. The question is can we finish 11-4?
You say you disagree, but I don't think you really do. 11-4 to get us to 19-11 might win us the division. 18-12 or 17-13 definitely won't. 20-10 definitely should. I agree that 11-4 over the final 15 games should be our absolute minimum target if we want to host. And that's going to be damn tough to do even with the schedule easing up over the last month.
The way I see it is this:
1) USC and Florida are hosting. No question about it.
2) Vandy and A&M are about 80% likely to host. The only thing that can prevent that is if a team other than A&M wins the West, and the committee has to choose between A&M or Vandy for the final host spot in addition to USC, UF, and the West champion. I think another team winning the West besides A&M is also the only way the SEC gets 5 hosts, in which case they could select both A&M and Vandy as hosts along with the West champ.
Last edited by HSVDawg; 04-17-2016 at 09:14 PM.
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Originally Posted by
MarketingBully
You are speculating that we don't beat OSU without Graveman. You are speculating that if we have Graveman out for game one we lose anyway....you are speculating. I would have started Fitts in that game against OSU and relied on the bullpen fourth inning on like we did all year that year. We did score four runs that game so we would have had cushion. Starting Pollo in game 2 anyway was conceding defeat.
Everything you and I have posted so far is opinion. Yet you are talking about facts like you posted some.
Now...back to UCLA. Do you realize that after the Game 1 loss, we were playing to win the title, not just Game 2.
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Originally Posted by
HSVDawg
You say you disagree, but I don't think you really do. 11-4 to get us to 19-11 might win us the division..
A&M has a 3 game lead over us when you factor in the tiebreaker
They play Bama and UPig the next 2 weeks- they might go 6-0 but 4-2 at the absolute worse. They finish with Vandy, SC, and OM
At the absolute worst A&M goes 17-13 but I feel pretty confident that team will go 10-5 down the stretch. Thats 20 wins- but even at 9-6, they win the win on the tiebreaker. I think 19 wins will give us a strong shot to host because of the strength of the SEC and our RPI.
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
A&M has a 3 game lead over us when you factor in the tiebreaker
They play Bama and UPig the next 2 weeks- they might go 6-0 but 4-2 at the absolute worse. They finish with Vandy, SC, and OM
At the absolute worst A&M goes 17-13 but I feel pretty confident that team will go 10-5 down the stretch. Thats 20 wins- but even at 9-6, they win the win on the tiebreaker. I think 19 wins will give us a strong shot to host because of the strength of the SEC and our RPI.
Nothing between 2-7 and 7-2 for A&M against Vandy, USC, and OM would surprise me. This same team just got swept by UF two weeks ago. They are very good, but not invincible. I'm not really worried about tie breakers. I think if we tie A&M for first in the West and both of us have 19 wins, we stand a reasonable chance at hosting. But 19 wins is the absolute worst we can do to expect a reasonable chance of hosting. And it's going to be very, very difficult to get to that point after what happened this weekend.
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I'm not saying they will but don't be surprised if SC starts a slide. They got a big wkd coming up very similar to us. Team reaction weekend.
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One thing for sure is we have played much better on the road in the Sec games, makes this weekend interesting in a lot of ways.
I've said it many times, baseball is a game of streaks, hopefully we get hot again against Lsu. I think the series is a toss up, I think we hit better than them, they may be better on defense, pitching about even.
I see us going 9-6 the rest of the way, 17-13.
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Originally Posted by
CadaverDawg
On the other hand, I feel like we are a potential National power program in baseball, that is capable of winning a Title..... So I'm going to have to adjust my expectations as long as Cohen is our coach, that's all. We could easily do worse....but we will never field a team that meets the level of that new stadium under John. I'm ok with that I guess, it's just disappointing to come to that realization.
^ The most OM football fan comment I've seen in awhile. Hot dang it we deserve relevance because we've got passionate fans and (ancient) history! Well, if Ole Miss loses 40 scholarships on probation -- and they still think they should be a national power during that time period -- then it's the same thing as the situation our baseball team faces.
We are NEVER going to be a consistent national power giving out 11.7 while everyone around us is giving out 27. None of the other stuff matters.
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Originally Posted by
MarketingBully
I think you are heavily under valuing the job. The right coach should be able to win a national title here or at least be doing what O'Sullivan is doing at Florida.
^ insanity. So you think we are a coach away from being a perennial top 5 team? This coach can convince these NATIONAL kids to come here -- to a non-elite academic institution -- for 1/4 of the scholarship money -- and a future making half as much money on average if they get their degree and enter the real world -- not in Nashville or Florida -- but in Starkville, Ms -- and forego the first few rounds of MLB -- to pay 70% of their own way in school? Because we've got a bunch of drunks cooking them hamburgers and ringing bells in the outfield? Not just one or two of these kids -- but entire rosters made up of these elite kids like O'Sullivan has -- that have to fly over 3-4 much superior academic AND baseball institutions in order to come here?
Our fans can't tell the difference between non-traditional and non-elite -- and I'm not going to the trouble trying to explain it again. Literally took one SEC series to be back in the Fahr Coinz conversation. Our first true series loss on the year, by the way. Because that's what any talk of another coach entails. We ran into a buzz saw that got big hits in every situation this weekend. It happens in baseball. It's just funny that people only comment on the non-traditional when it fails. Not even noticing all of the times that it succeeds.
All while constantly moving the goalposts on what they think a season/team is and should be. How many of you called for this team to host in the preseason? Show of hands. That's what I thought. It's ahead of where 95% of you thought it would be. But Cohen only gets credit for setting it back -- not making it better? Sounds fair**
Last edited by engie; 04-18-2016 at 07:58 AM.
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Originally Posted by
engie
^ The most OM football fan comment I've seen in awhile. Hot dang it we deserve relevance because we've got passionate fans and (ancient) history! Well, if Ole Miss loses 40 scholarships on probation -- and they still think they should be a national power during that time period -- then it's the same thing as the situation our baseball team faces.
We are NEVER going to be a consistent national power giving out 11.7 while everyone around us is giving out 27. None of the other stuff matters.
Fabricate much? You just claimed I said things that weren't even in my post you quoted. Thanks for setting the record straight though, Mr. All Knowing. I'm sure everyone else is as shocked as I am to see you chime with a know-it-all attitude and a twisting of words.
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Originally Posted by
engie
^ insanity. So you think we are a coach away from being a perennial top 5 team? This coach can convince these NATIONAL kids to come here -- to a non-elite academic institution -- for 1/4 of the scholarship money -- and a future making half as much money on average if they get their degree and enter the real world -- not in Nashville or Florida -- but in Starkville, Ms -- and forego the first few rounds of MLB -- to pay 70% of their own way in school? Because we've got a bunch of drunks cooking them hamburgers and ringing bells in the outfield? Not just one or two of these kids -- but entire rosters made up of these elite kids like O'Sullivan has -- that have to fly over 3-4 much superior academic AND baseball institutions in order to come here?
Our fans can't tell the difference between non-traditional and non-elite -- and I'm not going to the trouble trying to explain it again. Literally took one SEC series to be back in the Fahr Coinz conversation. Our first true series loss on the year, by the way. Because that's what any talk of another coach entails. We ran into a buzz saw that got big hits in every situation this weekend. It happens in baseball. It's just funny that people only comment on the non-traditional when it fails. Not even noticing all of the times that it succeeds.
All while constantly moving the goalposts on what they think a season/team is and should be. How many of you called for this team to host in the preseason? Show of hands. That's what I thought. It's ahead of where 95% of you thought it would be. But Cohen only gets credit for setting it back -- not making it better? Sounds fair**
Big +1. 8-7 with a chance to win more series coming up. We still have a lot of baseball to play.
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