Men's bb press conf sched. today at 3:00pm

[Jack Lambert]

I'm okay with that. I'll own up to it.

I'll pay it for you. Who ever has the power make it happen.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I can't think of one right now, but I am sure there are some out there...

Zach Levine went lottery after avg 9ppg 2rpg & 2apg.

[Big4Dawg]

He just said he is probably coming back if projected second round.

[Big4Dawg]

Westbrook only averaged 13 points and 4 assit his 2nd year at UCLA and was drafted 4th overall.

[Big4Dawg]

Here are 4 players from 2014:
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...-gordon-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...-vonleh-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...s-young-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...r-ennis-1.html

[Big4Dawg]

All drafted in first round in 2015:
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...y-oubre-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...-booker-2.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...winslow-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...-turner-1.html

Newman averages more, if not close, to the same number of points.

[djaymsu5]

He's not coming back, imo

Yea I don't see him coming back either. Even after the year he had I see him going as a lottery pick just because of his potential.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Yea I don't see him coming back either. Even after the year he had I see him going as a lottery pick just because of his potential.

He won't be a lottery pick but he has the opportunity to slide in the back end of the 1st rd.

[smootness]

All drafted in first round in 2015:
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...y-oubre-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...-booker-2.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...winslow-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...-turner-1.html

Newman averages more, if not close, to the same number of points.

Well, those situations were also totally different. Putting up 9-10 ppg for loaded Kansas, loaded Kentucky, or loaded Duke is completely different than doing it for Mississippi State.

[shannondawg]

I been on Finebaum off and on and there is no mention of his decision. I guess its just not that big of a deal with his performance this year.

[Bully13]

I been on Finebaum off and on and there is no mention of his decision. I guess its just not that big of a deal with his performance this year.

Because it's NOT a big deal.

[MarketingBully]

It's pretty obvious one of two things will happen with Malik, 1) he gets a first round grade and is gone, or 2) he doesn't and he comes back. It's not rocket science here. It's his dream but he isn't going to go just to go. If that were the case, he would have hired an agent. Horatio and Malik aren't stupid. He is now fully healthy and will be determined to make a first round grade. If he does, I wish him well and will root for whichever NBA team drafts him. If he doesn't, he will know what he needs to work on to make the first round. I will say this. If he does come back, this team will make a run at the NCAA tournament and contend for the SEC next year. If he comes back, Malik will be determined and will be one of our leaders and take a bit of the pressure off our young guys. Either way, we will be okay IMO.

[Dawg61]

I been on Finebaum off and on and there is no mention of his decision. I guess its just not that big of a deal with his performance this year.

ESPN just listed all the notable early draft entrees this year and zero mention of Newman. He needs to come back. He isn't ready and he'll regret his decision 3 hours after the draft starts for the rest of his life.

[BeardoMSU]

ESPN just listed all the notable early draft entrees this year and zero mention of Newman. He needs to come back. He isn't ready and he'll regret his decision 3 hours after the draft starts.

I'm for giving the kid a little credit. Maybe its a bit naive, but I really think he'll make the right decision based on the info given to him at the combine.

[Dawg61]

I'm for giving the kid a little credit. Maybe its a bit naive, but I really think he'll make the right decision based on the info given to him at the combine.

Idk I've got a bad feeling about it. All signs are pointing to him getting 17ed on draft night. Jamont Gordon went totally undrafted after three straight years of All-SEC play. I feel much worse about Newman's chances than I did about Gordon's. Let me be perfectly clear here too. I'm not saying this to be selfish so he'll play for MSU next year because I think we'll be just fine without him and maybe even better after seeing who gets his scholarship. A grad transfer PF for example would really help this team. Losing a quality guard doesn't hurt as much as gaining a quality grad transfer PF helps. Newman has a LOT he needs to work on. He might need two more years not just one. I just would feel really shitty about all of this if we can't prevent a disaster from happening. Newman not going in the 1st round is a disaster. That disaster is very real and very possible.

[BeardoMSU]

Idk I've got a bad feeling about it. All signs are pointing to him getting 17ed on draft night. Jamont Gordon went totally undrafted after three straight years of All-SEC play. I feel much worse about Newman's chances than I did about Gordon's. Let me be perfectly clear here too. I'm not saying this to be selfish so he'll play for MSU next year because I think we'll be just fine without him and maybe even better after seeing who gets his scholarship. A grad transfer PF for example would really help this team. Losing a quality guard doesn't hurt as much as gaining a quality grad transfer PF helps. Newman has a LOT he needs to work on. He might need two more years not just one. I just would feel really shitty about all of this if we can't prevent a disaster from happening. Newman not going in the 1st round is a disaster. That disaster is very real and very possible.

Totally get your concerns, and I certainly have similar ones in the back of my mind. I think the main thing that's different here, though, is the new rule about declaring and getting input, but still being able to return to college. The fact that this took so long to happen is mind boggling. It just makes sense. Also, as much as I loved Gordon, with all his potential, he never struck me as one with a good head on his shoulders. He was a turnover machine, and often played extremely selfish. I'd be willing to bet had Jamont played for a coach like Howland, he'd have been a lottery pick.

I'd like to hope that most of Newman's woes this year had to do with his lack of consistency due to the nagging injuries. Also, I think Malik has better people around him, and something that really can't be understated, is that he is playing for a coach who he trusts and who's opinion he values (definitely wasn't the case for Gordon).

[maroonmania]

Totally get your concerns, and I certainly have similar ones in the back of my mind. I think the main thing that's different here, though, is the new rule about declaring and getting input, but still being able to return to college. The fact that this took so long to happen is mind boggling. It just makes sense. Also, as much as I loved Gordon, with all his potential, he never struck me as one with a good head on his shoulders. He was a turnover machine, and often played extremely selfish. I'd be willing to bet had Jamont played for a coach like Howland, he'd have been a lottery pick.

I'd like to hope that most of Newman's woes this year had to do with his lack of consistency due to the nagging injuries. Also, I think Malik has better people around him, and something that really can't be understated, is that he is playing for a coach who he trusts and who's opinion he values (definitely wasn't the case for Gordon).

I guess its the NFL and NBA that won't allow it because they don't want their teams left empty handed somehow but I guess I've never understood why, like MLB, you don't just let the pro league draft who they want when they want and then either the player signs and goes pro or doesn't like his position and either goes to college or returns to college. Even with this scouting combine you are only going to get a range of where you will be drafted. If they tell Malik he is likely the very end of the 1st round to the middle of the second round what is he suppose to do with that? I mean you won't know your exact draft spot until the draft happens. If baseball can give kids the choice after the fact then why can't other leagues as long as an agent isn't hired?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I guess its the NFL and NBA that won't allow it because they don't want their teams left empty handed somehow but I guess I've never understood why, like MLB, you don't just let the pro league draft who they want when they want and then either the player signs and goes pro or doesn't like his position and either goes to college or returns to college. Even with this scouting combine you are only going to get a range of where you will be drafted. If they tell Malik he is likely the very end of the 1st round to the middle of the second round what is he suppose to do with that? I mean you won't know your exact draft spot until the draft happens. If baseball can give kids the choice after the fact then why can't other leagues as long as an agent isn't hired?

I think the biggest reason is that in the NBA & NFL you're going to be depending on these draft picks to play & contribute to your team the upcoming season. In baseball more times than not you know drafting this kid he's 2,3, & sometimes 4 years away from contributing to the team.

[maroonmania]

I think the biggest reason is that in the NBA & NFL you're going to be depending on these draft picks to play & contribute to your team the upcoming season. In baseball more times than not you know drafting this kid he's 2,3, & sometimes 4 years away from contributing to the team.

Yes, but for example, a second round draft pick in the NBA is not even guaranteed a roster spot but has no choice in returning to school. That fact alone tells you that NBA teams are not "depending" on guys not drafted in the first round. So, in that example, even if they gave a kid the option to come back if he was not a first rounder that would be a better. A similar cutoff in rounds could be done in the NFL.

And, as far as Malik goes, IMO he is probably going to stay in the draft if there is even a sliver of hope that he is going first round even though in reality he may be well into the second before getting selected on draft day.