John Cohen discusses lineup diversity, matchups, Hudson, etc on Out of Bounds

[Out of Bounds]

John Cohen stopped by today. Good interview on the season & players.
According to a little research, MSU has the most consistent daily starting unit of any SEC team.


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[Political Hack]

That's hard to believe that Cohen has the most consistent starting lineup in the SEC.

[I seen it dawg]

It's a different lineup every game. Research is bunk.

[maroonmania]

That's hard to believe that Cohen has the most consistent starting lineup in the SEC.

I could see that. I mean they rarely bat in the same order but most of the regulars are usually in there.

[Coach34]

I could see that. I mean they rarely bat in the same order but most of the regulars are usually in there.

Then there is nothing consistent about it

[War Machine Dawg]

I could see that. I mean they rarely bat in the same order but most of the regulars are usually in there.

This. It's mostly the same guys so far this year, but almost none of them bat in the same spot two days in a row. Robson is virtually the lone exception.

[Jarius]

I don't mind him switching up what spot in the order people hit in as much as switching up who plays every day. Very pleased to this point.

[MetEdDawg]

Yeah anyone saying that we have a consistent lineup is nuts. Just because the same guys are in it doesn't mean it's consistent. If I bat 3rd on Friday, 5th on Saturday, and 6th on Sunday, I have 3 completely different plate approaches each game. That's not consistent.

[Todd4State]

That's hard to believe that Cohen has the most consistent starting lineup in the SEC.

#Cohening #Meddler

I've been telling people for how long now that Cohen isn't the only one to make changes to the lineup?

[RocketCityDawg]

Yeah anyone saying that we have a consistent lineup is nuts. Just because the same guys are in it doesn't mean it's consistent. If I bat 3rd on Friday, 5th on Saturday, and 6th on Sunday, I have 3 completely different plate approaches each game. That's not consistent.

No you don't. That's insane to believe that. Your approach is not dictated by your spot in the order. It's dictated by the situation in the game which is completely independent of your place in the batting order.

[engie]

Yeah anyone saying that we have a consistent lineup is nuts. Just because the same guys are in it doesn't mean it's consistent. If I bat 3rd on Friday, 5th on Saturday, and 6th on Sunday, I have 3 completely different plate approaches each game. That's not consistent.

I normally really enjoy your posts, but this is insane.

[Coach34]

No you don't. That's insane to believe that. Your approach is not dictated by your spot in the order. It's dictated by the situation in the game which is completely independent of your place in the batting order.

What???? Your approach hitting 1st is far different than hitting 4th....an approach in the 8-9 spot is different from hitting 5th

[maroonmania]

Yeah anyone saying that we have a consistent lineup is nuts. Just because the same guys are in it doesn't mean it's consistent. If I bat 3rd on Friday, 5th on Saturday, and 6th on Sunday, I have 3 completely different plate approaches each game. That's not consistent.

As I've stated before, its moving people around in the infield that bothers me the most, even moreso than the batting order. But its gotten better. He is leaving Collins at 3rd now, for better or worse and mostly playing LA and RG at SS and 2nd. I don't mind the OF rotating as much because they don't have as many things to keep up with out there and plays to make as infielders do. But in summary, even if you are playing the same basic 8 guys but rarely play them in the same position in the field or bat them in the same order, then there is nothing really that consistent about that.

[smootness]

What???? Your approach hitting 1st is far different than hitting 4th....an approach in the 8-9 spot is different from hitting 5th

No, it isn't. At least, it shouldn't be.

[MetEdDawg]

What???? Your approach hitting 1st is far different than hitting 4th....an approach in the 8-9 spot is different from hitting 5th

This is why baseball season is unbearable on this board. People who coach baseball (I coach 7A in high school here in Alabama) get it and teach it and understand that there are completely different approaches based on your spot in the lineup. People who don't sit on here and moan and complain and don't understand why certain things happen. They just get pissed.

There are some things Cohen does that I don't get as bent out of shape about as most on here. Constant changes in lineup position is one thing that I do get mad about and it's now apparent that a decent number of people on here don't even understand that.

I would love to know the baseball playing and coaching experience of anyone who thinks approaches don't change at the plate based on where you hit in the lineup. My guess is you would have little to none.

[smootness]

This just in: the things everyone criticizes Cohen for are things just about every college coach does. I'm not saying they're all correct decisions, but they're par for the course in college managers.

I went to see Kyle Lewis play at Mercer, and their coach bunted constantly. They were all dumb decisions and basically all hurt their ability to score runs, but they still did it.

[smootness]

Why do you think guys in the pros stay in the same spot?? And why do you think when they are slumping that coaches move them? It's not because they suck, it's because a different spot in a lineup requires a different mental approach and that can sometimes help hitters see the game differently and find some success there. Coaches do those things for a reason and if you think lineup position doesn't affect your plate approach, you 100% don't know baseball.

So we're now determining what is smart based on what pro managers do? Guess what, pro managers are dumb, too. Fredi Gonzalez once guessed that Jordan Schafer's .280ish OBP was better than Jason Heyward's .360ish OBP without the stats in front of him. And both guys played for him on a daily basis.

Baseball managers at all levels are way behind the curve on many things.

[Coach34]

This is why baseball season is unbearable on this board. People who coach baseball (I coach 7A in high school here in Alabama) get it and teach it and understand that there are completely different approaches based on your spot in the lineup. People who don't sit on here and moan and complain and don't understand why certain things happen. They just get pissed.

There are some things Cohen does that I don't get as bent out of shape about as most on here. Constant changes in lineup position is one thing that I do get mad about and it's now apparent that a decent number of people on here don't even understand that.

I would love to know the baseball playing and coaching experience of anyone who thinks approaches don't change at the plate based on where you hit in the lineup. My guess is you would have little to none.

We have 4 guys I know on the board that have won a state title or a state coach of the year trophy- including myself. We have one that has served as a college baseball GA. We have 3 guys I know of that are former State baseball players- but 2 rarely post. One thing I see from these posters- they pretty much agree for the most part. Welcome to the group

[Taog Redloh]

It's starting to become pretty clear that it doesn't take much sense to coach high school baseball.

[MetEdDawg]

It's starting to become pretty clear that it doesn't take much sense to coach high school baseball.

I know you are a regular, but how much coaching and playing experience do you have? If you have a bunch I'll defer to the fact that coaches can have different styles. If not, I think I'll have made my point.

Again, I've seen a few posters on here that disagree. Would love to know your baseball playing and coaching background.