Quote Originally Posted by Blackout View Post
Still should have been a more balanced fight, aka better story.

Ben grows up the black sheep. Hates his parents having all the glory. Hates being "equal" to the others Luke is training. Hell this is Han Solo's kid why should be be equal to these other twerps. Wants too much too soon. Seduced by the power of the dark side. Offers other trainees the option of converting with him or be killed. Thus the Knights of Ren are born. Luke walks in on the carnage and has an epic battle with all of the Knights. Its a draw, the Knights leave vowing they will eventually kill Luke and take power in the galaxy.

The Knights then spread out conquering lands one by one until they have amassed a Republic sized opposition. Luke knows a war now would leave the good guys in serious jeopardy so he goes into hiding throwing off the plans for domination and instead focusing Ren on the wild goose chase of finding and killing Luke because he knows as long as he's out there he could be training new recruits to eventually take away his power.

There is a secret map to Luke just in case they begin the epic Knights vs Republic battle and he's needed but it must be kept secret. And this is where you begin with Finn, Rey, BB8 and the gang.

Like the Empire represented the Cold War of the 70's, this is a perfect analogy to the war with radical Islam today. Start small, convert or be killed, amass a following until large enough to strike. Would have been a stroke of genius that would cement JJ Abrams in history.
Dude, calm the f down. That's probably exactly how they'll develop it over the course of VIII & IX. This movie was just an introduction of the new group and a farewell to some of the old group. There are 3 movies to develop these characters. Revealing Kylo is actually Ben Solo was so huge they didn't really need to do much else. You're wanting too much too soon. Just let it play out.

Also, noticed JJ says the script for VIII is so good he's pissed he isn't directing it. That makes me all giddy.