Aeris

[Todd4State]

You were not right on McLarin or Peters being ready to start right then. And if you remember I called this weeks ago. That they will steadily get more snaps as they get better and ready to play and flat out said you will use that to say you were right at the time. You were not right on several of those guys. Including Green starting over Ritchie Brown. But as that got ready I said you were going to say You were right. Weeks ago I knew that you were going to try a claim that. And they are still not ready. I even said then I agreed about Gray. I think he has a good future. I think several of those guys do. But upside didn't equal to being ready. And I wasn't the only one when discussing Peters and McLaurin. Coach34 said the same thing about the safety's.

ETA. The back ups let them get in the redzone. The starters came back in and held them to a FG.

Coach34 also clearly disagrees with you about the running backs and has also said that Dan has to do a better job of getting the freshmen ready. I would like to see the link where I said Green should start over Richie Brown. If anything I might have said that Green should play some at MLB and Richie at OLB.

The starters also let Mizzou get their first TD since Spurrier retired- I guess they get a pass? And was that Coman who was caught up in the wash on the TD run by Mizzou and getting picked on by a Mizzou QB? And was that McLaurin knocking that pass away in the end zone?

This is the double standard of Dan and people like you- the young players make a mistake- so they shouldn't play. The starters make repeated mistakes- they keep on playing.

[BB30]

and Shump has seen less and less carries... The young backs were not ready at the beginning of the season and even with them playing every snap our running game would still be marginal at best. We just do not have a good all around run game and we won't for the rest of the year. Not a problem, this staff has adapted the offense to fit our strengths by getting our real play makers the ball as much as possible. I think most fans are pissed because through the good and the bad we have always had a consistent run game from our backs but we don't have that this year. Hopefully these young backs will mature and continue to make strides in development and be ready to carry more of the load next year. We aren't and weren't going to line up against Bama and beat them by pounding away anyways so its really a mute point. Dak will have to continue to carry the load running the ball and just the threat of him scrambling is enough to keep the defense honest, we don't have to have a 100 yd rusher at rb to keep defenses honest with Dak.

[Todd4State]

and Shump has seen less and less carries... The young backs were not ready at the beginning of the season and even with them playing every snap our running game would still be marginal at best. We just do not have a good all around run game and we won't for the rest of the year. Not a problem, this staff has adapted the offense to fit our strengths by getting our real play makers the ball as much as possible. I think most fans are pissed because through the good and the bad we have always had a consistent run game from our backs but we don't have that this year. Hopefully these young backs will mature and continue to make strides in development and be ready to carry more of the load next year. We aren't and weren't going to line up against Bama and beat them by pounding away anyways so its really a mute point. Dak will have to continue to carry the load running the ball and just the threat of him scrambling is enough to keep the defense honest, we don't have to have a 100 yd rusher at rb to keep defenses honest with Dak.

Dontavian Lee's spring game performance disagrees. And I believe Shumpert got more carries last night than any other running back.

[Todd4State]

Todd won't admit he's wrong about Coman, either. Kivon has come on strong the last few weeks. Check out AC QB, but Kivon was one of our best players last night: INT, TFL, second on the team in tackles. Two tackles to save TDs, and great coverage plus a PBU to save the garbage time TD. Our safety rotation should be: Kivon, Bryant, Peters, McLaurin in that order.

He also had a pass interference in the end zone, was constantly targeted by Mizzou and he was out of position on their touchdown run. Sounds like I missed the boat on him alright. I'm glad Mizzou's QB sucks.

[BiscuitEater]

Shumpert had 8 carries. Aeris had 6. THAT IS THE PROBLEM with Dan Mullen.

last night, you would REALLY have wanted to run those guys MORE when we averaged 3.5 yards/carry .. and pass LESS when we averaged 7.4 yards/pass including those that were incomplete?

We ran enough to keep the defense honest. Most of Dak's runs were at the perfect time. We DON'T win the game last night without the effective passing game .. even in the heavy downpour.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

He also had a pass interference in the end zone, was constantly targeted by Mizzou and he was out of position on their touchdown run. Sounds like I missed the boat on him alright. I'm glad Mizzou's QB sucks.

Not to get in too deep with this but yes he had the pass interference in the end zone but he had a pass defense & pass break up in the end zone on the very same drive so he pretty much made up for the interference. You say he was constantly targeted but Lock only completed 11 passes. 4 were against Smokey, 5 were little short dump offs for 9yds or less, & then 2 other completions so if he was constantly targeted by Mizzou they must didn't do a great job.

[BiscuitEater]

Please tell me someone saw Shump in the 1st quarter make one of the most horrible attempts at a pass block you've ever seen? He literally dove at the DE coming around the end on Senior and completely whiffed. Didn't even touch him. It was pretty embarrassing. And yes I know Shump is pretty good at pass blocking, but if he can do that kind of thing and still play, what the hell are Lee and Aeris doing that gets them virtually no playing time?

But think Shump did the same thing and was called for the chop block too. They only showed the replay once and they didn't call any numbers but thought he went low on the block while the defender was tied up.

[BB30]

Dontavian Lee's spring game performance disagrees. And I believe Shumpert got more carries last night than any other running back.

So your argument is based on a spring game(thats reeling a little bit).... and its tough for Lee to carry the ball when he was at home in Starkville. Shump got those carries because of the fact that it was a monsoon and he was the best option in that situation.

And I am not saying by any means that Shump is a great back my argument is that we do not have a good run game period and it would not make a ton of difference on who is in there. Do you think we should run the football more?

[War Machine Dawg]

Not to get in too deep with this but yes he had the pass interference in the end zone but he had a pass defense & pass break up in the end zone on the very same drive so he pretty much made up for the interference. You say he was constantly targeted but Lock only completed 11 passes. 4 were against Smokey, 5 were little short dump offs for 9yds or less, & then 2 other completions so if he was constantly targeted by Mizzou they must didn't do a great job.

B...b...but Todd say Coman sucks! He's never wrong.****

[BiscuitEater]

1) I'll call him Dan Walsh until he actually beats Alabama and doesn't play call like a wuss in a big game.
2) And we would be better if he would actually play our best players.
3) I've been right about every personnel decision this year. Suck it.

Mullen is the best thing that has happened to Mississippi State football in my lifetime. He has won 20 of his last 25 in the toughest division/conference in the country. News flash .. you DON'T have a single clue about 'who' to play .. period. Just plain laughable that you think you know MORE than the coaching staff. You don't know how they have been practicing .. injuries or tendencies.

You were 100% wrong about Shump in the KY game .. he DID play but not at RB.

[Todd4State]

last night, you would REALLY have wanted to run those guys MORE when we averaged 3.5 yards/carry .. and pass LESS when we averaged 7.4 yards/pass including those that were incomplete?

We ran enough to keep the defense honest. Most of Dak's runs were at the perfect time. We DON'T win the game last night without the effective passing game .. even in the heavy downpour.

I'm fine with the pass run ratio- it's just when we do run I prefer it be Dak, Lee, Aeris, or Dear. Don't get it twisted- I think pass first is the way we should go.

[Todd4State]

Not to get in too deep with this but yes he had the pass interference in the end zone but he had a pass defense & pass break up in the end zone on the very same drive so he pretty much made up for the interference. You say he was constantly targeted but Lock only completed 11 passes. 4 were against Smokey, 5 were little short dump offs for 9yds or less, & then 2 other completions so if he was constantly targeted by Mizzou they must didn't do a great job.

You are right- they didn't do a good job. That's why they're comparable to Croom.

[Really Clark?]

Coach34 also clearly disagrees with you about the running backs and has also said that Dan has to do a better job of getting the freshmen ready. I would like to see the link where I said Green should start over Richie Brown. If anything I might have said that Green should play some at MLB and Richie at OLB.

The starters also let Mizzou get their first TD since Spurrier retired- I guess they get a pass? And was that Coman who was caught up in the wash on the TD run by Mizzou and getting picked on by a Mizzou QB? And was that McLaurin knocking that pass away in the end zone?

This is the double standard of Dan and people like you- the young players make a mistake- so they shouldn't play. The starters make repeated mistakes- they keep on playing.

Have I not said, in this thread that it was about protection of the ball and player for Shump getting carries. O a thing about him being a better RB. Yeah Coach 34 said those things. Don't agree with all of it. But he also said Peters and McLaurin were not ready when you wanted to start them. No it was not McLaurin knocking the ball down, that was Coman. I've never said the veterans get a pass and don't play the young guys. I have clearly said weeks before they should and will get more playing time, when they were ready. And they have been. But I do appreciate the complements of comparing my thoughts to Coach Mullen. You think you are degrading me like I'm an idiot and his record of developing our program since he has been here has been outstanding. He's not and never will be perfect with every aspect but big picture, it's working. We have work to do for the rest of the year and I hope it's a good finish.

[Todd4State]

Mullen is the best thing that has happened to Mississippi State football in my lifetime. He has won 20 of his last 25 in the toughest division/conference in the country. News flash .. you DON'T have a single clue about 'who' to play .. period. Just plain laughable that you think you know MORE than the coaching staff. You don't know how they have been practicing .. injuries or tendencies.

You were 100% wrong about Shump in the KY game .. he DID play but not at RB.

Pay attention.

Dan needs to beat Bama to take the next step. If we want the respect we deserve that's what he has to do. I haven't said Dan sucks, should be fired, or even that I know more than him. That's the bottom line period. If we don't it's Dan's fault because he is overly conservative and it holds us back in big games. If we lose to Bama but play call aggressively- that's fine. If we're conservative scared sissies -Dan Walsh.

And I know Shumpert played special teams- NEVER said he didn't. But he was limited. That's why he went right back to leading us in carries against Kentucky.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

You are right- they didn't do a good job. That's why they're comparable to Croom.

So your problem with Kivon last night was that we played a bad offense?

[Todd4State]

Have I not said, in this thread that it was about protection of the ball and player for Shump getting carries. O a thing about him being a better RB. Yeah Coach 34 said those things. Don't agree with all of it. But he also said Peters and McLaurin were not ready when you wanted to start them. No it was not McLaurin knocking the ball down, that was Coman. I've never said the veterans get a pass and don't play the young guys. I have clearly said weeks before they should and will get more playing time, when they were ready. And they have been. But I do appreciate the complements of comparing my thoughts to Coach Mullen. You think you are degrading me like I'm an idiot and his record of developing our program since he has been here has been outstanding. He's not and never will be perfect with every aspect but big picture, it's working. We have work to do for the rest of the year and I hope it's a good finish.

You're not smart enough to know when you are being degraded. Blindly Agreeing with Dan doesn't make you smart or knowledgeable- it makes you an ignorant sheep. Interesting that all of the players I said should be playing all developed at the exact same time.

The big picture is yes it is "working" but if we did a few things differently it would work even better. That's all.

[Todd4State]

So your problem with Kivon last night was that we played a bad offense?

Or maybe I realize a competent QB makes those throws? I'm sorry- I know he's your boy but he is a concern- and a huge one.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Or maybe I realize a competent QB makes those throws? I'm sorry- I know he's your boy but he is a concern- and a huge one.

Ok. You're literally the only person who watched last night's game & thought Kivon didn't play well. If there is someone who agrees with you please step up & say it because everyone & I mean everyone thought he played a really good game. Has nothing to do with being my boy or not but to each its own.

[BB30]

Pay attention.

Dan needs to beat Bama to take the next step. If we want the respect we deserve that's what he has to do. I haven't said Dan sucks, should be fired, or even that I know more than him. That's the bottom line period. If we don't it's Dan's fault because he is overly conservative and it holds us back in big games. If we lose to Bama but play call aggressively- that's fine. If we're conservative scared sissies -Dan Walsh.

And I know Shumpert played special teams- NEVER said he didn't. But he was limited. That's why he went right back to leading us in carries against Kentucky.

So you would rather us play call "aggressively" turn the ball over 4 times be down 28-7 at half instead of being smart taking smart calculated shots and having a chance to win the game in the 4th qtr? We aren't playing video game football. It is easy to take chances against weaker competition because you can out athlete them we are not going to out athlete Bama. Also, if I remember correctly we had several opportunities to score in the first half last year in Tuscaloosa and we turned the ball over that is not on Dan. If the players execute in the first half we beat Bama by 10+, the players came out tight and it cost us. It is easy to say oh Dan called a conservatively terrible game and not look at facts. Fact is we had that game and the players did not execute in the red zone or really anywhere in the first half.

[basedog]

Hey I don't really have a dog in this fight but I will say Todd4State you are real border line on Dan and his ability to play the right folks in your mine. You can say your not but in reality reading your post on Dan that's what most folks think.

I'm thankful for 7-2 and I see improvement, let's just hope we keep improving but mostly keep winning.