Sunday Morning QB- We Won Edition

[CadaverDawg]

Im watching the replay, and Monken picked on whatever side of our defense had Cleveland and Jackson. Those two had terrible games, and when they were on the same side, USM got an easy throw and catch damn near every time.

And Coman better quit diving at people's legs and start wrapping up. He failed to take down several guys last night, and they could have turned in to big gains because of it.

Apparently Diaz told Coman to not let anyone behind him all night, because there were several plays where Coman started out 14 yds behind the LOS, and ended up 20+ yds downfield before the QB even looked up. That is incredibly deep, and i would be shocked to see that vs LSU. We can't play that loose of a zone....way too spread out, and a huge gap between LB's and Safeties.

[CadaverDawg]

So you think Peters and McLaurin could be any worse than what we have out there now? I'm asking a serious question and not being a smartass. I think we can all agree that Peters and McLaurin are the most talented but obviously lack experience. But Tony Connor didn't have any experience and he adjusted just fine after a couple games. I know that Peters is on the same talent level as Connor. I'm looking for a serious answer, Could they be any worse?

YES! They can. This game isnt all about talent. Diaz says that our Saeties are the key to our scheme, and they have to be smart, well versed, and able to communicate. Thats an awful lot to ask of 2 True Freshmen, agree? Too many of you guys think, "good player in highschool = good player at MSU on day 1".....but it isnt that simple. Especially at key positions. Thats why guys like Coman, Jackson, Market, etc are playing.....because they are experienced, wont get rattled, and are used to the speed of college football. AND they're talented. They may not have as much talent as the ones you mention, but they are ahead in the other categories, so they start.

Thats why we could easily see those freshmen's PT increase as they get more used to the speed of the game this season. Its just not as cut and dry as yall try to make it.

[Todd4State]

Todd, you know i like you, man....but this is a "WTF?" Post. You always think you know more than Mullen about personnel. Personally i think you get too caught up in the next big name. You wanted R Dixon to play "HB" all year last year, saying "you would give him touches" if it were you....well he's no longer even on the team. You say you would play Jenkins over Warren, though you've never even seen Jenkins play...youre admittedly going off of hearsay as to whom you would start at LT. Think about that. Now you're saying you would throw 2 true freshmen in at Safety, which Diaz says is the most crucial position on our defense?

Sorry man, but clearly if you were our coach, YOU would be the one playing all of the wrong people. Whether you wanna admit it or not, they know more than you about who needs to be starting.

We cant let a game against USM make us lose total faith in a coach that won 10 games last year. Especially when we likely played extremely vanilla. At least let Mullen play his chosen starters against a real team before telling him he needs to start a completely different, and unexperienced 11! Ha.

Not trying to be a dick, i promise....I just think it's silly for you to act like we should just throw Peters, McLaurin, Jenkins, Gray, etc in the game when you havent even seen them take one single snap of live action. You simply want them in there because "you heard they looked good". C'mon mane.

Only two days after you called me out about Coman? C'mon mane indeed.

But let's blindly trust Dan who played Perkins over Robinson.

I very rarely get caught up in the next big name. Jenkins is not a big name. Dixon was not either- and guess what? We don't have a FB right now on the roster. McLaurin wasn't a huge name. Bear wasn't a huge name at the time when I was singing his praises.

To be honest, I think and HOPE the coaches know more than me. I think the issue is they see a guy like Coman that works hard in practice and does everything right and they WANT to see him be rewarded for that in the form of football glory, stardom- whatever word you want to use. So, they try to force what they want to see happen when the reality is they unintentionally hurt us.

I don't see what the problem with starting or playing freshmen/new players is? And as far as "heard they looked good"- I've seen most of them play live and in person except for Jenkins and Gray. So, I'm not sure what your issue there is. Of course I'm also the guy that was lambasted for saying that Dylan Favre was 5'8" and not 5'10" or whatever he was listed at as well.

And if I am "wrong" on any of my guys- I'll be the first to admit it. At the very least there is nothing wrong with trying to see if those new players help us.

[Todd4State]

YES! They can. This game isnt all about talent. Diaz says that our Saeties are the key to our scheme, and they have to be smart, well versed, and able to communicate. Thats an awful lot to ask of 2 True Freshmen, agree? Too many of you guys think, "good player in highschool = good player at MSU on day 1".....but it isnt that simple. Especially at key positions. Thats why guys like Coman, Jackson, Market, etc are playing.....because they are experienced, wont get rattled, and are used to the speed of college football. AND they're talented. They may not have as much talent as the ones you mention, but they are ahead in the other categories, so they start.

Thats why we could easily see those freshmen's PT increase as they get more used to the speed of the game this season. Its just not as cut and dry as yall try to make it.

This is a WAY more WTF post than the one I made.

[CadaverDawg]

Only two days after you called me out about Coman? C'mon mane indeed.

But let's blindly trust Dan who played Perkins over Robinson.

I very rarely get caught up in the next big name. Jenkins is not a big name. Dixon was not either- and guess what? We don't have a FB right now on the roster. McLaurin wasn't a huge name. Bear wasn't a huge name at the time when I was singing his praises.

To be honest, I think and HOPE the coaches know more than me. I think the issue is they see a guy like Coman that works hard in practice and does everything right and they WANT to see him be rewarded for that in the form of football glory, stardom- whatever word you want to use. So, they try to force what they want to see happen when the reality is they unintentionally hurt us.

I don't see what the problem with starting or playing freshmen/new players is? And as far as "heard they looked good"- I've seen most of them play live and in person except for Jenkins and Gray. So, I'm not sure what your issue there is. Of course I'm also the guy that was lambasted for saying that Dylan Favre was 5'8" and not 5'10" or whatever he was listed at as well.

And if I am "wrong" on any of my guys- I'll be the first to admit it. At the very least there is nothing wrong with trying to see if those new players help us.

1. Not sure what the Coman thing has to do with it. Thats the same shit youre doing now. Jumping the gun on a player, and wanting him to replace him with a guy you havent seen play. Not sure your point.

2. I highly doubt Mullen is just rewarding players for practice efforts....and if he is, it led to 10 wins last year, so....

3. No you havent seen them play. Not live snaps against college teams. No you havent. Because they havent. You want to throw a guy out there at safety because he's got talent, a high rating, and was a star for Bassfield against other ?A highschool teams. That is FAR from "seeing these guys play live snaps" before.

4. You say that about not seeing Gray live and in person, yet you repeatedly say that Gray is a slot guy that we're trying to be cute with, and make an outside guy. So what are you basing him being a slot guy on, if youve never seen him? His size? Yes, more than likely.

Again, I dont know why you get so defensive, I'm just saying there's more to our personnel than just throwing the guy that you heard played well in there.

[Coach34]

So you think Peters and McLaurin could be any worse than what we have out there now?

oh hell yeah they could. Tony Conner played more like an OLB his freshman season

[defiantdog]

Only two days after you called me out about Coman? C'mon mane indeed.

But let's blindly trust Dan who played Perkins over Robinson.

I very rarely get caught up in the next big name. Jenkins is not a big name. Dixon was not either- and guess what? We don't have a FB right now on the roster. McLaurin wasn't a huge name. Bear wasn't a huge name at the time when I was singing his praises.

To be honest, I think and HOPE the coaches know more than me. I think the issue is they see a guy like Coman that works hard in practice and does everything right and they WANT to see him be rewarded for that in the form of football glory, stardom- whatever word you want to use. So, they try to force what they want to see happen when the reality is they unintentionally hurt us.

I don't see what the problem with starting or playing freshmen/new players is? And as far as "heard they looked good"- I've seen most of them play live and in person except for Jenkins and Gray. So, I'm not sure what your issue there is. Of course I'm also the guy that was lambasted for saying that Dylan Favre was 5'8" and not 5'10" or whatever he was listed at as well.

And if I am "wrong" on any of my guys- I'll be the first to admit it. At the very least there is nothing wrong with trying to see if those new players help us.

Putting players in because of seniority works if you're winning. If we start losing games and have our most talented players on the bench, then there's a problem. It's reactive coaching, but Mullen tends to play guys based on their seniority. Peters and McLaurin should play more than just Special Teams, but we're not Mullen. We have no idea what his plan is with some of these phenoms playing as backups.

[GreenheadDawg]

YES! They can. This game isnt all about talent. Diaz says that our Saeties are the key to our scheme, and they have to be smart, well versed, and able to communicate. Thats an awful lot to ask of 2 True Freshmen, agree? Too many of you guys think, "good player in highschool = good player at MSU on day 1".....but it isnt that simple. Especially at key positions. Thats why guys like Coman, Jackson, Market, etc are playing.....because they are experienced, wont get rattled, and are used to the speed of college football. AND they're talented. They may not have as much talent as the ones you mention, but they are ahead in the other categories, so they start.

Thats why we could easily see those freshmen's PT increase as they get more used to the speed of the game this season. Its just not as cut and dry as yall try to make it.

I agree with your points but if Market, Coman and Jackson are the best we have then we are ****ed. Plain and simple. They are not SEC players. Coman may be but I'll wait and see on that. Market was borderline pre injury. He doesn't have the size or instincts to play SEC safety.

[CadaverDawg]

This is a WAY more WTF post than the one I made.

Why? Explain. You think Coman has no talent? He may not be as physically gifted as Peters, but if he gets the scheme and assignments more, he should start. The only "WTF" about that is that you could possibly disagree with it. Dont get your panties in a bunch just because people disagree with you saying we should start a freshman LT after 1 game based on hearsay. That is truly "WTF".

[CadaverDawg]

oh hell yeah they could. Tony Conner played more like an OLB his freshman season

+1

[CadaverDawg]

Putting players in because of seniority works if you're winning. If we start losing games and have our most talented players on the bench, then there's a problem. It's reactive coaching, but Mullen tends to play guys based on their seniority. Peters and McLaurin should play more than just Special Teams, but we're not Mullen. We have no idea what his plan is with some of these phenoms playing as backups.

Exactly. Much more to it than who has the most physical talent.

[Coach34]

YES! They can. This game isnt all about talent. Diaz says that our Saeties are the key to our scheme, and they have to be smart, well versed, and able to communicate. Thats an awful lot to ask of 2 True Freshmen, agree? Too many of you guys think, "good player in highschool = good player at MSU on day 1".....but it isnt that simple. Especially at key positions. .

Leo Lewis was considered a top HS LB not only from Miss- but in the entire country. He cant even make the 2-deep and will possibly RS. Its a huge jump from HS to the SEC- and our coaches dont put a player on the field until they know wtf to do

[GreenheadDawg]

1. Not sure what the Coman thing has to do with it. Thats the same shit youre doing now. Jumping the gun on a player, and wanting him to replace him with a guy you havent seen play. Not sure your point.

2. I highly doubt Mullen is just rewarding players for practice efforts....and if he is, it led to 10 wins last year, so....

3. No you havent seen them play. Not live snaps against college teams. No you havent. Because they havent. You want to throw a guy out there at safety because he's got talent, a high rating, and was a star for Bassfield against other ?A highschool teams. That is FAR from "seeing these guys play live snaps" before.

4. You say that about not seeing Gray live and in person, yet you repeatedly say that Gray is a slot guy that we're trying to be cute with, and make an outside guy. So what are you basing him being a slot guy on, if youve never seen him? His size? Yes, more than likely.

Again, I dont know why you get so defensive, I'm just saying there's more to our personnel than just throwing the guy that you heard played well in there.

3. Sweet. Then we can all expect to continue to get torched every game. Mother ****ers pitching a tent in the middle of the field before they catch it. I know scheme has to do with it too but we will just have to agree to disagree. Our safeties are SWAC or conference USA level. Not SEC

[CadaverDawg]

Leo Lewis was considered a top HS LB not only from Miss- but in the entire country. He cant even make the 2-deep and will possibly RS. Its a huge jump from HS to the SEC- and our coaches dont put a player on the field until they know wtf to do

This. This. This. My point

[Todd4State]

1. Not sure what the Coman thing has to do with it. Thats the same shit youre doing now. Jumping the gun on a player, and wanting him to replace him with a guy you havent seen play. Not sure your point.

2. I highly doubt Mullen is just rewarding players for practice efforts....and if he is, it led to 10 wins last year, so....

3. No you havent seen them play. Not live snaps against college teams. No you havent. Because they havent. You want to throw a guy out there at safety because he's got talent, a high rating, and was a star for Bassfield against other ?A highschool teams. That is FAR from "seeing these guys play live snaps" before.

4. You say that about not seeing Gray live and in person, yet you repeatedly say that Gray is a slot guy that we're trying to be cute with, and make an outside guy. So what are you basing him being a slot guy on, if youve never seen him? His size? Yes, more than likely.

Again, I dont know why you get so defensive, I'm just saying there's more to our personnel than just throwing the guy that you heard played well in there.

1. Because you are attempting to say I don't know what I am talking about AGAIN just two days after proving YOU wrong about Coman. I don't claim to have the best track record or "know everything" about football- but I don't have the worst either.

2. When we could have had 12 wins had we not done the 1A/1B ridiculousness. So let's give Dan a free pass for screwing that up. Including losses to our two biggest rivals.

3. Projection is part of evaluation. I want to "throw Peters out there" because he is our best option based on the evidence that I HAVE seen. I don't care about stars. Bear was 2-3 stars- and I was very high on him. Jenkins is also a 2-3 star guy. McLaurin was 4 stars on 247 I believe but not sure about the other web sites. Peters is really the only one with National Honors. Not sure if Gray had any JUCO honors- it wouldn't shock me if he did.

4. His HUDL video. And the fact that he has been working at both outside WR AND slot for us in practice. I suspect we make our guys learn the outside WR spot first before sliding them inside where they have to run option routes and things like that in addition to the other WR routes.

[Todd4State]

Why? Explain. You think Coman has no talent? He may not be as physically gifted as Peters, but if he gets the scheme and assignments more, he should start. The only "WTF" about that is that you could possibly disagree with it. Dont get your panties in a bunch just because people disagree with you saying we should start a freshman LT after 1 game based on hearsay. That is truly "WTF".

Poor instincts. Poor ball skills. Doesn't react quickly enough. His actual physical ability is not bad- see the Iron Dawg Board.

I'm glad he knows the playbook. That doesn't mean he can execute it at a high level. Like I said- maybe coaching is his calling and there is nothing wrong with that.

I don't have my panties in a wad at all. And apparently Greenhead agrees with me. I'm just wondering why some people want to keep going with what isn't working?

[CadaverDawg]

1. Because you are attempting to say I don't know what I am talking about AGAIN just two days after proving YOU wrong about Coman. I don't claim to have the best track record or "know everything" about football- but I don't have the worst either.

2. When we could have had 12 wins had we not done the 1A/1B ridiculousness. So let's give Dan a free pass for screwing that up. Including losses to our two biggest rivals.

3. Projection is part of evaluation. I want to "throw Peters out there" because he is our best option based on the evidence that I HAVE seen. I don't care about stars. Bear was 2-3 stars- and I was very high on him. Jenkins is also a 2-3 star guy. McLaurin was 4 stars on 247 I believe but not sure about the other web sites. Peters is really the only one with National Honors. Not sure if Gray had any JUCO honors- it wouldn't shock me if he did.

4. His HUDL video. And the fact that he has been working at both outside WR AND slot for us in practice. I suspect we make our guys learn the outside WR spot first before sliding them inside where they have to run option routes and things like that in addition to the other WR routes.

1. Because you are attempting to say I don't know what I am talking about AGAIN just two days after proving YOU wrong about Coman. I don't claim to have the best track record or "know everything" about football- but I don't have the worst either.

2. When we could have had 12 wins had we not done the 1A/1B ridiculousness. So let's give Dan a free pass for screwing that up. Including losses to our two biggest rivals.

3. Projection is part of evaluation. I want to "throw Peters out there" because he is our best option based on the evidence that I HAVE seen. I don't care about stars. Bear was 2-3 stars- and I was very high on him. Jenkins is also a 2-3 star guy. McLaurin was 4 stars on 247 I believe but not sure about the other web sites. Peters is really the only one with National Honors. Not sure if Gray had any JUCO honors- it wouldn't shock me if he did.

4. His HUDL video. And the fact that he has been working at both outside WR AND slot for us in practice. I suspect we make our guys learn the outside WR spot first before sliding them inside where they have to run option routes and things like that in addition to the other WR routes.

1. Ha, you have proved nobody right about Coman. 1 game Todd. One. Relax. That's part of your problem...you can't allow a player to make a mistake without writing them off. Players improve in our program.

2. You have no way of knowing that. I could say we win 10 because of it, and it would be just as accurate. I hate 1A/1B, but that's not the point.

3. Please tell me what college game footage you've seen of Peters that shows he's CLEARLY OUR BEST OPTION? That's right, you haven't because none exists yet.

4. If you watched his Hudl video...first of all that's highlights and proves my point that you truly haven't "seen" these guys in live action vs college players....but also, his video would show him outside, Bc that's what he played.

Sorry, none of those points changes my opinion of you being wrong. I think you're right a lot..,especially baseball...so don't take it so personally. I can agree to disagree, but there's no way you can set a lineup based on highlight tape and hearsay and be taken seriously IMO. It's just not that simple man

[Todd4State]

1. Ha, you have proved nobody right about Coman. 1 game Todd. One. Relax. That's part of your problem...you can't allow a player to make a mistake without writing them off. Players improve in our program.

2. You have no way of knowing that. I could say we win 10 because of it, and it would be just as accurate. I hate 1A/1B, but that's not the point.

3. Please tell me what college game footage you've seen of Peters that shows he's CLEARLY OUR BEST OPTION? That's right, you haven't because none exists yet.

4. If you watched his Hudl video...first of all that's highlights and proves my point that you truly haven't "seen" these guys in live action vs college players....but also, his video would show him outside, Bc that's what he played.

Sorry, none of those points changes my opinion of you being wrong. I think you're right a lot..,especially baseball...so don't take it so personally. I can agree to disagree, but there's no way you can set a lineup based on highlight tape and hearsay and be taken seriously IMO. It's just not that simple man

One game and ALL of last season. I think I'll be OK if you aren't impressed with my credentials. Unfortunately I have a real life and can't follow and watch all of our recruits games and go to every MSU practice and make a living since that is what it is going to take to satisfy you.

[Noxdog]

1. Ha, you have proved nobody right about Coman. 1 game Todd. One. Relax. That's part of your problem...you can't allow a player to make a mistake without writing them off. Players improve in our program.

2. You have no way of knowing that. I could say we win 10 because of it, and it would be just as accurate. I hate 1A/1B, but that's not the point.

3. Please tell me what college game footage you've seen of Peters that shows he's CLEARLY OUR BEST OPTION? That's right, you haven't because none exists yet.

4. If you watched his Hudl video...first of all that's highlights and proves my point that you truly haven't "seen" these guys in live action vs college players....but also, his video would show him outside, Bc that's what he played.

Sorry, none of those points changes my opinion of you being wrong. I think you're right a lot..,especially baseball...so don't take it so personally. I can agree to disagree, but there's no way you can set a lineup based on highlight tape and hearsay and be taken seriously IMO. It's just not that simple man

That Cad Dawg would be a voice of reason in a world of insanity!! We will know who we are on Sat nite.

[CadaverDawg]

Poor instincts. Poor ball skills. Doesn't react quickly enough. His actual physical ability is not bad- see the Iron Dawg Board.

I'm glad he knows the playbook. That doesn't mean he can execute it at a high level. Like I said- maybe coaching is his calling and there is nothing wrong with that.

I don't have my panties in a wad at all. And apparently Greenhead agrees with me. I'm just wondering why some people want to keep going with what isn't working?

Ok, now tell me why you think Peters is better. What have you seen in his college game film? Oh..that's right.. He Has None. Therefore, yet again, you're saying Peters is the better option based on physical talent and hearsay. Todd, the coaches aren't going to put there jobs on the line when there is a better option on the sideline. Especially Manny, Bc he's seen how quick it can end. Peters isn't the better option right now or he'd be playing...or at least be 2nd string. But he's not. And how easily you've gone right past Bryant and put Peters or McLaurin in there. Have you also seen that Perers is better than Bryant "first hand" or through HUDL?

Come on man. You gotta admit you know nothing about how good those freshman are currently at their positions...and definitely not enough to be saying they should start.

But I'm done debating it. It's a pretty easy debate, Bc the coaches see the players everyday, and we don't.