What was dan asked about the flag?

[RC3]

With the article on Mullen's response, Freeze will have a well rehearsed answer that will sound as eloquent as Shakespeare. Kellenberger will write an article praising Freeze by Friday morning. Book it.

yep. it's all been set up for them now

[confucius say]

Well I myself know the difference. I've actually discussed it with one of my Ole Miss coworkers (who is black, male, 25). He has no problem with "Ole Miss" or "Rebels" because they weren't used like the Confederate Battle flag throughout the 60s and into day (though obviously less) as a slap in the face to blacks fighting for equal rights. He's said that it isn't the origin of terms/symbols that bother him, but the way that they have been used in the recent past.

He's also one that thinks it is ridiculous to tear down statues or defund Civil War military parks because the history happened and it needs to be acknowledged. Though he did say that he would support changing the wording of some of the plaques and such that kind of glorify aspects of the Civil War or former generals.

And I (white, male, 23) agree with that.

So an offensive and racist term (ole miss), whose denotation has been admitted by the university, is ok as long as it has not been used as a hate symbol by white supremacy groups and other racists?? Really. Say that out loud.

[Just This Once]

So an offensive and racist term (ole miss), whose denotation has been admitted by the university, is ok as long as it has not been used as a hate symbol by white supremacy groups and other racists?? Really. Say that out loud.

The argument I hear frequently regarding the flag is that "perception is reality" in response to those who try to claim that the flag is "heritage," so why would that argument not work for Ole Miss? The name isn't perceived as racist by him(and he said he doesn't know anyone that would want it changed), so I'm not going to tell him that he should be offended by it just because I don't cheer for Ole Miss.

[confucius say]

The argument I hear frequently regarding the flag is that "perception is reality" in response to those who try to claim that the flag is "heritage," so why would that argument not work for Ole Miss? The name isn't perceived as racist by him(and he said he doesn't know anyone that would want it changed), so I'm not going to tell him that he should be offended by it just because I don't cheer for Ole Miss.

I get that. Not our place to tell someone what should and should not offend them.
But they need to understand the hypocrisy of getting rid of the phrase for university purposes bc, admittedly, it is offensive, yet keeping it for their athletics.
Also, Just bc the uniformed masses don't know the racist and offensive meaning of the word doesn't mean you, who have admitted it's meaning, should keep it.

[scottycameron]

Not our place to tell someone what should and should not offend them.

LOL, since when????

But they need to understand...

Now that's more like it!

Also, Just bc the uniformed masses don't know...

And there it is! We DO need to tell their ignernt ass what to think! Spoken like a fine young up and coming communist!

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[confucius say]

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Educating people with facts (the definition of the phrase om) and telling them what to think (what conclusion to draw from those facts) are two distinct ideas.
My point is, they can think what they want, but understand you are denouncing a flag with racist connotations (rightfully so, mind you) while supporting a phrase with a racist denotation. If you are okay with doing that, then so be it.
Oh, And my use of "uninformed masses" was in regard to people not knowing the factual definition of om, as opposed to telling someone what to think based on that fact.

[scottycameron]

Educating people with facts (the definition of the phrase om) and telling them what to think (what conclusion to draw from those facts) are two distinct ideas.
My point is, they can think what they want, but understand you are denouncing a flag with racist connotations (rightfully so, mind you) while supporting a phrase with a racist denotation. If you are okay with doing that, then so be it.
Oh, And my use of "uninformed masses" was in regard to people not knowing the factual definition of om, as opposed to telling someone what to think based on that fact.

Oh, I get you, brother, don't worry. I know all about it. Your problem is going to be the same problem everybody who's come before you has had. It's damn hard to get the message out to the ignernt all at once. They have enough of a hard time understanding much of anything at all, and there attention span is as short as Mike Tyson fight. The best approach in the past to get around this has been to get them all together at once, get their undivided attention, then educate them with the facts. They usually call them camps, and they work better if attendance is mandatory. Else you'll just keep on spinning your wheels with those dumb bastards.

[ScoobaDawg]

Well looks like the State flag isn't on the main parts of Campus like Mullen said....

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[Just This Once]

I know I've seen it in the Junction, but I couldn't tell you if that is a regular thing. Usually I don't even really notice the flag anywhere, but I always think it is odd when multiple flags are on the same flag pole like it was in the Junction.

[drunkernhelldawg]

Thanks. Well if he was just asked his opinion on the flag or the situation as a whole, then I really have no problem with his answer. If he was asked directly whether it should be changed, then yea he was probably avoiding the question.

All public figures will be asked until it is changed.

[BeardoMSU]

I'm sure there are plenty of opinions Rev. Freeze has that would be embarrassing. Someone needs to forge some media credentials, lol.

[Political Hack]

I think there's a pretty clear delineation of those that want it changed and those that don't and that has to do with age. Throwing a dart, I'd probably put the number at 38-40. Most people I know that are younger than that want the flag changed, the ones older do not. The difference is the kids of the fairly racist over 40 parents that are white supremacists, some without even realizing there's anything wrong with it. You know these types, we all went to school with them. They're the ones that think there's some sort of nobility in being a redneck and supporting all of the symbols on their pickup truck.

And sadly, since this truly is Our State, most of them are fans of our fine university. The last thing they expect or want to hear is Dan come out in favor of changing the flag. Their heads would explode and their souls would be crushed from the betrayal.

I can promise you more rebel flags fly on your Ole Miss campus on one Saturday than do on my Mississippi State campus in a decade. Don't try to play the "State redneck card" brother. The plantation resides in Oxford... with the "Ole Miss" brand, and rebel flags, and nooses around JM's statue, and riots when a black man is elected to lead our nation, and students chanting "the south will rise again," and the playing of Dixie.

Someone ban this rebel.

[I seen it dawg]

****ing gladly. He's always tripped the meter for me. ****ing sack of shit.

[Dawgowar]

I have an issue with punk journalism engaging football coaches in lieu of elected officials. It's classic sports journalism little dick syndrome..."I have spent my whole life talking about games, better find significance by blending these games with big boy issues like a real journalist." Screw reporters. Bonner is from New England right. Yeah, Boston is a model for all southern states.

[DancingRabbit]

Well I myself know the difference. I've actually discussed it with one of my Ole Miss coworkers (who is black, male, 25). He has no problem with "Ole Miss" or "Rebels" because they weren't used like the Confederate Battle flag throughout the 60s and into day (though obviously less) as a slap in the face to blacks fighting for equal rights. He's said that it isn't the origin of terms/symbols that bother him, but the way that they have been used in the recent past.

He's also one that thinks it is ridiculous to tear down statues or defund Civil War military parks because the history happened and it needs to be acknowledged. Though he did say that he would support changing the wording of some of the plaques and such that kind of glorify aspects of the Civil War or former generals.

And I (white, male, 23) agree with that.

[State82]

****ing gladly. He's always tripped the meter for me. ****ing sack of shit.

Absolutely! Took the words out of my mouth.

[OurState]

I think it was a dumb miss of an easy home run.

Slam the flag. Slam ole miss. If freezus opened with this we would guffaw.