How long until DeAndre Johnson transfers to Ole Miss? And no, I'm not kidding.

[BeardoMSU]

agreed, except that you are making assumptions that the court should not be making. how do you know she doesn't have a knife, or a gun? how do you know her next move isn't to pick up a bottle and take a swing at him with that? first rule of self defense is don't underestimate the threat. she threatened a punch, he grabbed her wrist and tried to calm her down it looks like (or maybe just talked smack, but this should be viewed in his favor), she took a swing. it looked to me like it connected. it's apparent he did not have room to easily back away. it's apparent she was not going to stop attacking him, and may very well have grabbed a weapon. he was trapped and was hit by a punch and can reasonably assume more or worse was to come. he threw one punch after she started the situation and he took the first opportunity to flee. that's textbook self defense.

a private citizen is not a cop, a private citizen does not have the training, nor have they accepted the job, of being in danger. they are not equivalent. but since you brought up cops, what if she had taken that swing at a cop? what if he had punched, tazed, or physically harmed her in some other way in response? has anyone ever "wet their pants in anger" over a cop's response to a swing at him that left minimal bruising to the swinger? you take a swing at a cop, he has the right to turn to physical force IMO.

This pretty much echos the points I made earlier. Also, as PMDog noted, if it was Rhonda Rousey, how could anyone be faulted for protecting themselves in that situation? A punch from her could cause quite a bit of structural damage to one's face. And as Boom just mentioned, what if that girl's next move was to stab at your face with a broken bottle? Is that really out of the realm of possibility? Johnson is obviously a douche, but its still worth discussing, I think....

Ultimately, there's a reason to hit anybody...Shit, there's a reason to throw and old man down a flight of stairs. Just don't do it.

Certain women out there need to get it out of their mind that its OK to raise your fists to a man with impunity. Not saying they deserve to get hit back, but as I said earlier, anyone who is gonna dish it out, better be prepared to receive it back. Accountability should extend both ways.

[msstate7]

Boom and beardo hate women. They must be republicans**

[BeardoMSU]

Boom and beardo hate women. They must be republicans**

Hey now......


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[smootness]

Why do legal arguments always come up when discussing whether someone should or shouldn't do something, or whether something is the right thing to do? You can punch a woman in the face who represented no real threat to you after drunkenly and half-heartedly swinging and jump up and yell, 'Self defense!' if you want to. But all you really are is King Douche.

Also, LOL on the argument that he was trapped and felt threatened by her, then used the first opportunity to flee. He could have fled at any point; he chose to do so only after he hit her because he wanted to feel big and tough after being threatened by a drunk girl but wasn't man enough to stick around and deal with any repercussions. That's all that happened in that video.

[BoomBoom]

Why do legal arguments always come up when discussing whether someone should or shouldn't do something, or whether something is the right thing to do? You can punch a woman in the face who represented no real threat to you after drunkenly and half-heartedly swinging and jump up and yell, 'Self defense!' if you want to. But all you really are is King Douche.

Also, LOL on the argument that he was trapped and felt threatened by her, then used the first opportunity to flee. He could have fled at any point; he chose to do so only after he hit her because he wanted to feel big and tough after being threatened by a drunk girl but wasn't man enough to stick around and deal with any repercussions. That's all that happened in that video.

Why can't it be both?

And yes, the legal way to look at that vid was he was trapped. He had to push his way to that spot, it stands to reason he would have had to push his way out.

[hells bells]

Why can't it be both?

And yes, the legal way to look at that vid was he was trapped. He had to push his way to that spot, it stands to reason he would have had to push his way out.

From the bar cam video it appears he is black and she is white. Who is the damn racist?

[TUSK]

From the bar cam video it appears he is black and she is white. Who is the damn racist?

HB, DeAndre was jus "checkin' her privilege" for her...

[sandwolf]

agreed, except that you are making assumptions that the court should not be making. how do you know she doesn't have a knife, or a gun? how do you know her next move isn't to pick up a bottle and take a swing at him with that? first rule of self defense is don't underestimate the threat.

So I assume your position would not change if that had been a 12 year old girl.....because after all, how do you know that she doesn't have a grenade in her Hello Kitty backpack?

Sure, you don't underestimate the threat.....but you are required to assess the threat, have a reasonable fear of harm and respond proportionately.

she threatened a punch, he grabbed her wrist and tried to calm her down it looks like (or maybe just talked smack, but this should be viewed in his favor), she took a swing. it looked to me like it connected. it's apparent he did not have room to easily back away. it's apparent she was not going to stop attacking him, and may very well have grabbed a weapon. he was trapped and was hit by a punch and can reasonably assume more or worse was to come. he threw one punch after she started the situation and he took the first opportunity to flee. that's textbook self defense.

a private citizen is not a cop, a private citizen does not have the training, nor have they accepted the job, of being in danger. they are not equivalent. but since you brought up cops, what if she had taken that swing at a cop? what if he had punched, tazed, or physically harmed her in some other way in response? has anyone ever "wet their pants in anger" over a cop's response to a swing at him that left minimal bruising to the swinger? you take a swing at a cop, he has the right to turn to physical force IMO. where do you stand? we have video evidence of cop's doing worse to female protesters who had offered no physical threat in any way, with no consequences, yet you don't see a problem, right?

anyway, the biggest problem for me, Mr. Small-government Conservative, is that letting the state decide what is "appropriate" self-defense in this way is how you end up getting charged for shooting a burglar in your house. NEVER let the State start parsing and assuming what threat an unprovoked aggressor poses.

And yes, the legal way to look at that vid was he was trapped.

I can't decide whether you are just trying to stir the pot, or if you are really this stupid.