Quote Originally Posted by Really Clark? View Post
This is Mike Trout at Stance



At load



At what point do you see him pinch his elbows together. Anything done BEFORE pre-load does NOT effect the absolutes that begin at PRE-LOAD. You are so think headed. I beg of you to show a VIDEO of a complete swing showing what you are advocating and breaking it down to prove what you are saying. Maybe your terminology just sucks so bad that it has everybody jumping on you but I highly doubt that. Anything done in stance doesn't matter but to break it down further. It's truly pre-set position. That is the true stance portion of the swing that goes into the pre-load and all of the swing sequence.

Look at Trouts hands



One of the best hitters in the world is opposite of what you describe should be done. At some point you should either recognize your ignorance or show video proof. I have requested that many times and you can't do it because you don't know what you are talking about.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lX_dm39fkfw

At no point do you see Trout pinch his elbows together in that swing. From Stance to launch to extension he does NOT do this.

There is a reason that hitters to pinch there elbows BEFORE stance or set position. To also torq the wrists and it has absolutely nothing to do with what you think it does. That is a major reason we know you have not a clue about the swing. The elbow pinch has nothing to do with the swing and you see hitters do it then get in the proper set position with the power V position and the elbows seperate back away to proper position AWAY from each other. The amount differs from hitter to hitter and again stance is and should be individualized for each hitter. The pinch is to help hitters feel the "scap load" that occurs during and through load and launch phase of the swing. It however is NOT a position during the swing. It is just a cue that helps SOME hitters. Some it makes them too tight and the lose bat speed. That is all the pinch is. To help feel the scap load. Some like to lock in the scap early and use it for that. I prefer for the hitter to use it during load and launch transition and it is more pronounce even for those hitters. But again this is absolutely not a requirement for any hitter to do and as the above example shows, even some of the best in the world do not do it.
Wait, so you take one thing technique and teaching mechanism that I point out that will help players develop power and comprehend that I'm saying every baseball player on earth does this to achieve power? I never even said they should swing with pinches elbows. Are you really that dense or just trying to stir the pot? I was saying that using this approach aids in keeping the hands and elbows in a power position. My original post was that players hands in relation to shoulder and their front elbow placement has the most to do with power but you take one small portion, run with it and try to make someone look like an idiot.

And once again prove your ignorance. The picture you chose to diagram and draw a line shows his hands where? Are you that stupid? I've been saying that the hands have to be in a specific region, in relation to back shoulder, to maximize power. Your picture is perfect example. I've also pointed out what mechanics assure a hitter getting and keeping his hands at said point in their stance. Why must you take everything literally. The elbow pinch just assists player in keeping the elbows closer together in a power position and the hands in correct position to push through the zone. Did you watch Buddy Reed today? No because you are a moron and take someone literally, opposes to observing the requested example of the hitter you've been asking for. I said his approach is perfect for those who need help getting the hands and elbows in proper position. He pinches his elbows before he loaded, and then they relaxed out into a stance similar to trout. The pinching simply reminded the mind to keep them close to the body for maximum power. And no one would not expect Trout to pinch his since his skills are already much better than anyone who plays the game. I believe the thread was to the point of 18-22 year old players, of which stances/approaches are much different than our hitters approaches, and have more powerful swings.

For the last time pinching the elbows and or wrists assures that the hitters have their hands/elbows in proper position as to not roll over and maximize power. It also assured the front elbow is in a power position. The back hand/elbow is more of a guide to the point of contact and direction you want to hit the ball. If we had nine players with 1/2 mike trouts ability, we wouldn't need instructions on how to improve power. But we don't, so we need someone to move our hitters hands and alter stances. Once a hitters swing is aletered they need not pinch the elbows to keep their hands/elbows in position.

Please proceed. I fully expect you to show me some hitter who starts his hands around his asshole that bats .287 in your next attempt to discredit me. How about read entire posts before picking apart one sentence or paragraph and attempt to discredit. In the mean time invest in a DVR and watch Reed.