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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
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    Atlanta Braves @Braves ? 34m 34 minutes ago
    Roster move: #Braves purchase the contract of INF Pedro Ciriaco (#13) from @GwinnettBraves and option LHP Ian Thomas to Gwinnett.

    My boy made it.
    curious. i'd have sent Folty back down and let Cahill start again. maybe they've given up on that and he's going to be in the pen permanently. but Folty had 59 days of service time coming in to this season, so you would think he would spend at least 2 months in the minors. but Hart during the game was saying that they expected to "finish his development up here".

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    Yep, that was a move to replace CJ while he's on the DL. Peraza will be up sooner rather than later when Peterson continues to not hit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomBoom View Post
    curious. i'd have sent Folty back down and let Cahill start again. maybe they've given up on that and he's going to be in the pen permanently. but Folty had 59 days of service time coming in to this season, so you would think he would spend at least 2 months in the minors. but Hart during the game was saying that they expected to "finish his development up here".
    Cahill isn't going back into the rotation. He's garbage.

    I'm sure Folty will be on an innings limit anyway, so you can keep him up and just shut him down early.

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    Peterson has hit much better over the last week, I like what I've seen from him. 7-18 over his last 6 with 4 BBs and only 2 Ks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    He was up for 1-2 months last year, so he will go over 1 year if he stays up until the end of the year. You can still keep him under a year if you play it right.
    Was unaware of that, but in that case it is an issue if that's the way they want to play it.

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    Fredi has to start playing Maybin in cf. EY and Maybin are struggling hitting for avg, but Maybin has shown some pop (4 hr in 43 ab's), far superior defensive player, and he's much younger. Please fredi, stop running EY out there so much! There's a chance that Maybin can help us down the road, but there's no chance EY can

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    I guess Teheran can stay on the big league club haha.

    Great job today, Julio

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    Interesting note...

    Teheran has 3 good starts (first 2 2 and today) this year and all were caught by bethancourt. Is this a coincidence? I'd like to see bethancourt catch wood tomorrow

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    Cahill has to be cut.

    I'd like to see bethancourt go through the rotation one time. I'm beginning to wonder how much of our pitching trouble can be attributed to aj

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Cahill has to be cut.

    I'd like to see bethancourt go through the rotation one time. I'm beginning to wonder how much of our pitching trouble can be attributed to aj
    You're overthinking it. Cahill is garbage and always has been. That trade didn't make sense and never should've been made. AJ isn't the reason our pitchers are struggling. The guy has been a starter for most of 17 years, including a 2-time All-Star and MVP. Old as he is, he's still a damn good C. If Bethancourt could hit and were ready, he'd be playing. He clearly can't and isn't. He needs to go back down to AAA, so far as I'm concerned. Further proof the El Oso Blanco trade was a turrable idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg View Post
    You're overthinking it. Cahill is garbage and always has been. That trade didn't make sense and never should've been made. AJ isn't the reason our pitchers are struggling. The guy has been a starter for most of 17 years, including a 2-time All-Star and MVP. Old as he is, he's still a damn good C. If Bethancourt could hit and were ready, he'd be playing. He clearly can't and isn't. He needs to go back down to AAA, so far as I'm concerned. Further proof the El Oso Blanco trade was a turrable idea.
    if he could be fixed in a month he wouldn't have been available. he's a year long project. gotta wait it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg View Post
    You're overthinking it. Cahill is garbage and always has been. That trade didn't make sense and never should've been made. AJ isn't the reason our pitchers are struggling. The guy has been a starter for most of 17 years, including a 2-time All-Star and MVP. Old as he is, he's still a damn good C. If Bethancourt could hit and were ready, he'd be playing. He clearly can't and isn't. He needs to go back down to AAA, so far as I'm concerned. Further proof the El Oso Blanco trade was a turrable idea.
    Not sure about all pitchers, but here's teheran's numbers with aj catching him vs bethancourt.

    Teheran w/bethancourt

    3 starts, 18 ip, 2 er, 1.00 era

    Teheran w/aj

    3 starts, 15 ip, 16 er, 9.60 era

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    AJ calls a better game and recieves the ball light years ahead of bethancourt. However bethancourt is more athletic, has more bounce, and throws better than AJ.

    Christian actually costs pitchers strikes with the way he recieves the ball. He takes pitches out of the zone where as AJ brings them in. If bethancourt learns some of these things from AJ, which is why he was brought in anyway, he could be as good a defensive catcher as there is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoeless joe View Post
    AJ calls a better game and recieves the ball light years ahead of bethancourt. However bethancourt is more athletic, has more bounce, and throws better than AJ.

    Christian actually costs pitchers strikes with the way he recieves the ball. He takes pitches out of the zone where as AJ brings them in. If bethancourt learns some of these things from AJ, which is why he was brought in anyway, he could be as good a defensive catcher as there is.
    Maybe so, but it isn't translating for Teheran. Any guess as to why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoeless joe View Post
    AJ calls a better game and recieves the ball light years ahead of bethancourt. However bethancourt is more athletic, has more bounce, and throws better than AJ.

    Christian actually costs pitchers strikes with the way he recieves the ball. He takes pitches out of the zone where as AJ brings them in. If bethancourt learns some of these things from AJ, which is why he was brought in anyway, he could be as good a defensive catcher as there is.
    Heck no. Bethancourt needs to improve his receiving and pitch framing, but it's not worse than Pierzynski's. AJ has long been among the worst in the league in those categories. He's also late in giving the pitcher a target as well.

    In regard to calling a game, who really knows, but the results thus far this year certainly don't support that. There have been several times, the one to Uggla last week being the most noteworthy, where a pitcher has thrown a fastball to a hitter when it was pretty obvious that was not the way to go and been burned by it.

    Bethancourt's potential is through the roof, and he should be getting reps. Playing AJ does nothing except potentially increase his trade value, but that probably won't ever be better than it is right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    Heck no. Bethancourt needs to improve his receiving and pitch framing, but it's not worse than Pierzynski's. AJ has long been among the worst in the league in those categories. He's also late in giving the pitcher a target as well.
    I will have to disagree strongly with you here. As will most people that have watched both this season. I'm definitely not saying AJ is a great defensive catcher but without a doubt he recieves pitches better than bethancourt. In fact, Simpson and glavine have mentioned it on several occasions. Now, he has shown the propensity to allow a passed ball on occassion and this is a huge area where b'court is better.

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    After injuries hampered his last two seasons, Braves prospect Matt Lipka is batting .368 with a .410 on-base percentage through his first 23 games for the Double-A Mississippi Braves.
    http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp..._milb&sid=milb

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    After injuries hampered his last two seasons, Braves prospect Matt Lipka is batting .368 with a .410 on-base percentage through his first 23 games for the Double-A Mississippi Braves.
    http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp..._milb&sid=milb
    He went 2 for 4 yesterday with a RBI in the win

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    The numbers on pitch framing for both are even this year, and while Pierzynski was a little better last year, he was flat out awful in 2013.

    He is a well below-average receiver. I've heard Simpson talk him up, but I personally think Simpson is kind of a dullard, so...

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    #Braves Fredi G said since Pierzynski and Miller work well together, likely to stay with that. And might do same with Teheran-B'court

    @DOBrienAJC
    #Braves recalled RHR Cunniff, DFA'd LHR Veal. They hope Veal clears waivers and goes to Triple-A

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