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Jaime, who has issued 181 walks over the 259 2/3 innings he has compiled during his professional career.

http://m.braves.mlb.com/news/article...outing-vs-mets

Jamie is a walk machine. Time to cut him

[BoomBoom]

Jaime, who has issued 181 walks over the 259 2/3 innings he has compiled during his professional career.

http://m.braves.mlb.com/news/article...outing-vs-mets

Jamie is a walk machine. Time to cut him

But if he learns some control he'll be Kimbrel-like. If this is a rebuild year, then you dont cut a guy like that.

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But if he learns some control he'll be Kimbrel-like. If this is a rebuild year, then you dont cut a guy like that.

Maybe. I'd rather go with kohn. Kohn has been an mlb guy before and could land a prospect if he turns it around.

[smootness]

We're all in on the rebuild. At some point this season we're going to find out what at least one of the 3 prospects can do. Wouldn't mind seeing Banuelos out of the pen. What's the word on Shae Simmons, btw? If everyone is jumping Juan Jamie, Simmons looked impressive last season. Still too soon to give up on Jamie, so far as I'm concerned.

Jaime was never impressive in the minors, was awful in the majors last year, and stunk in spring training. I don't think it's 'giving up' on him, I just don't think he's ever shown he's any good.

He walks way too many guys to ever be effective.

[smootness]

But if he learns some control he'll be Kimbrel-like. If this is a rebuild year, then you dont cut a guy like that.

He's 27. He's not going to suddenly figure it out. He's terrible.

[Really Clark?]

Smoot I tend to agree with you on him, it's getting awful close to closing the book on him. However, some of his minor numbers are very impressive. His SO/9 rate is elite level. Even with the limited big league sample you are looking at a guy who averages a similar SO/9 numbers as Kimbrel at AAA level and just below at the major league level. Although it's a small sample at the major league level. He has so much swing and miss in him I understand why they keep him. If he could just get the BB9 down to 3-4 he would be valuable. So in that sense I would also pause in out right cutting him right now. But agreed at 27 it's getting close. Although Randy Johnson had some of the same type of BB9 numbers with less SO9 than Jaime and he didn't get it corrected until he was 29 and had already been in the majors 4 full seasons. In fact the year before Johnson's 29 age year (finished second in Cy Young) he had a 10.3 SO9 and 6.2 BB9 rate. That is similar to Jaime numbers in the majors except Jaime has 12.8 SO9. Jaime had a 7.9 BB9 rate at AAA last year but his major numbers are a little better at 6.8.

[BoomBoom]

Maybe. I'd rather go with kohn. Kohn has been an mlb guy before and could land a prospect if he turns it around.

Injuries normally take care of that kind of problem. Someone will get hurt, and Kohn can take his place.

[msstate7]

Jamie DFAed. Marimon called up

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Pen was solid tonight. Hopefully the offense can keep being a good contact team with timely hitting.

[smootness]

Jim Johnson is filthy, and Roger McDowell is a genius. I really hope he keeps this up so that we can flip him for something legitimate at the deadline.

So far this year, he's been better than he ever was, even when he was killing it in Baltimore. He was always a 'pitch to contact' sinkerballer, but he's throwing that thing 96 with serious movement and is striking out over 12 per 9 right now. Unbelievable.

[Really Clark?]

Jim Johnson is filthy, and Roger McDowell is a genius. I really hope he keeps this up so that we can flip him for something legitimate at the deadline.

So far this year, he's been better than he ever was, even when he was killing it in Baltimore. He was always a 'pitch to contact' sinkerballer, but he's throwing that thing 96 with serious movement and is striking out over 12 per 9 right now. Unbelievable.

Yeah he has been outstanding so far. McDowell is good coach and has a very good track record with helping sinkerball pitchers. But if Johnson continues even around 9-10 SO9 it be maybe his best work considering he is a career 6.2 SO9 pitcher.

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Jim Johnson is filthy, and Roger McDowell is a genius. I really hope he keeps this up so that we can flip him for something legitimate at the deadline.

So far this year, he's been better than he ever was, even when he was killing it in Baltimore. He was always a 'pitch to contact' sinkerballer, but he's throwing that thing 96 with serious movement and is striking out over 12 per 9 right now. Unbelievable.

I'm very excited to see Cahill tonight. He's still relatively young and posted sub-4 era's in '12 and '13. I think Cahill could be a nice pitcher for us.

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Yeah he has been outstanding so far. McDowell is good coach and has a very good track record with helping sinkerball pitchers. But if Johnson continues even around 9-10 SO9 it be maybe his best work considering he is a career 6.2 SO9 pitcher.

American to national league have anything to do with it?

[shoeless joe]

American to national league have anything to do with it?

I don't think that affects relievers the same as starters. Relievers aren't facing pitchers anyway and only go an inning or 2 at most.

[Really Clark?]

What Shoeless said. Now if you want to look at the strength of a division, ballbark, home and away splits, those kind of things but which league with a reliever, not so much.

[msstate7]

Here's the solution...

He's faced the Marlins what 4 times? They k a lot

Think it's 3 times on 2nd thought

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Beyond the Box Score?@BtBScore?50 mins50 minutes ago
A?s (7.9%) and #Braves (8.2%) hitters have the lowest team swing-and-miss percentages in #MLB so far.

Pretty sure this includes pitchers too

[Really Clark?]

Yeah but striking out the side against the Mets the other night helped his SO9 a lot. He got a 27 SO9 that game.

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Yeah but striking out the side against the Mets the other night helped his SO9 a lot. He got a 27 SO9 that game.

Well obviously I expect JJ's k rate to go down, but I expect him to still be very effective. Throwing that sinker is a good recipe when you have Simmons and Peterson up the middle. I love our middle of the infield defense

[Really Clark?]

Well obviously I expect JJ's k rate to go down, but I expect him to still be very effective. Throwing that sinker is a good recipe when you have Simmons and Peterson up the middle. I love our middle of the infield defense

I agree I was just mentioning that because you mentioned it's because he has pitched against the Marlins so much who have more strikeouts as team. And I have not looked, but you would probably need to see who he faced to get a better understanding of what is going on right now. But he is throwing as well if not better than he ever has and as a sinkerballer he has the middle of the field that is perfect for him to get outs without the K's. Grilli has looked good so far as well.