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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    Our defense lost the game vs Ole Missus...over 500 yards- enough said

    We were down 6 points to Bammer on the road in the 4th Q- and we let their offense pick up 4 3rd downs as they drove the ball 75 yards to put the game away- thats on the D. Especially picking up a 3rd and 8 and a 3rd and 10. Thats not on the offense. We got a stop there and we have a chance to win the game
    Not to mention not being able to stop the fullback up the middle against Georgia Tech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    Our defense lost the game vs Ole Missus...over 500 yards- enough said

    We were down 6 points to Bammer on the road in the 4th Q- and we let their offense pick up 4 3rd downs as they drove the ball 75 yards to put the game away- thats on the D. Especially picking up a 3rd and 8 and a 3rd and 10. Thats not on the offense. We got a stop there and we have a chance to win the game
    Defense definitely lost the game to Ole Miss, but the offense was so predictable by the time that game came around. Defense did NOT lose us the Bama game. That drive doesn't make up for the 3 turnovers in Bama territory and predictability we were starting to show on offense. Game should have been a blowout in Bama's favor with our offensive performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chef dixon View Post
    Defense definitely lost the game to Ole Miss, but the offense was so predictable by the time that game came around. Defense did NOT lose us the Bama game. That drive doesn't make up for the 3 turnovers in Bama territory and predictability we were starting to show on offense. Game should have been a blowout in Bama's favor with our offensive performance.
    Meh- was a combo job with Bama. While the turnovers certainly hurt- we needed a 4th Q stop to win the game and didnt get it. And it not like the D was tired- our O had held the ball most of the 2nd half. Bama's O won the ballgame for them when they had to- we had stolen all the momentum. Especially with Bama getting the ball and immediately being 3rd and 8 or 9 to start the drive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    Meh- was a combo job with Bama. While the turnovers certainly hurt- we needed a 4th Q stop to win the game and didnt get it. And it not like the D was tired- our O had held the ball most of the 2nd half. Bama's O won the ballgame for them when they had to- we had stolen all the momentum. Especially with Bama getting the ball and immediately being 3rd and 8 or 9 to start the drive.
    I'll buy it. Both sides of the ball deteriorated a little near the end of the season. Dak missing the TE for the touchdown I think was the 2nd quarter, just deflating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chef dixon View Post
    Defense definitely lost the game to Ole Miss, but the offense was so predictable by the time that game came around. Defense did NOT lose us the Bama game. That drive doesn't make up for the 3 turnovers in Bama territory and predictability we were starting to show on offense. Game should have been a blowout in Bama's favor with our offensive performance.
    That's where not having Jameon most of the year, (yes, I am aware he played in the Egg Bowl) hurt us. And why I hope we use guys like Dear, Rashun Dixon, and maybe Dontae Jones in an effort to give us more variety in what we do. I didn't mention Gray because I am fairly certain that he will give us the slot position back- which we essentially lost when Lewis went down other than a few screens to Myles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    That's where not having Jameon most of the year, (yes, I am aware he played in the Egg Bowl) hurt us. And why I hope we use guys like Dear, Rashun Dixon, and maybe Dontae Jones in an effort to give us more variety in what we do. I didn't mention Gray because I am fairly certain that he will give us the slot position back- which we essentially lost when Lewis went down other than a few screens to Myles.
    Lewis hurt us in that Bama game with a couple drops. He had a tough season with his family issues, injuries and all. We were getting painfully predictable on Dak runs and were just getting stuffed over and over again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    I'm not sure what recruiting service you are referencing when you say that all of those guys besides Jenkins were 3 stars or higher, but I'm pretty sure a few more like Cochran were 2 star guys. But that said, the majority of those players were 3 star guys.

    I think that illustrates the inaccuracies of the star system when rating o-linemen.

    The Hevesey can't recruit meme is silly and unfounded. He might be the best o-line coach we have had since Rick Trickett under Jackie.
    I noted Cochran, Carter, Jenkins, and Story. I ️ppl say Heavesy "can't recruit" because we rarely ever land lots of 4-5* talent. But actually there are a few 4* in that mix. Most are 3* guys. I think this unit is going to be nasty good the next few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew View Post
    When was this? Senior was put at RT to compete for a starting job last year against Robinson & Warren. Carter wasn't in that competition.
    I think at one point they put out a spring depth chart that had Carter listed ahead of Senior as Clausell's backup. Heard a couple of comments that he was passing Senior because he was having a really good off season and senior wasn't, but not from anybody that would necessarily have any insight. Maybe what really happened is that Senior was moved to RT and he didn't show up there on the depth chart because they put him behind all the people already there, like Robinson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    Our defense lost the game vs Ole Missus...over 500 yards- enough said

    We were down 6 points to Bammer on the road in the 4th Q- and we let their offense pick up 4 3rd downs as they drove the ball 75 yards to put the game away- thats on the D. Especially picking up a 3rd and 8 and a 3rd and 10. Thats not on the offense. We got a stop there and we have a chance to win the game
    We also threw 2 INTs in the redzone and one of the two in the endzone. That lost the game as much or more than the D, considering we were basically guaranteed at least 6 points if we take care of the ball. We lost by 5. You do the math. BOTH sides of the ball have to be better and so do the coaches. Jay Hughes in man on Amari Cooper on the goal line is one of the biggest **** up decisions in the history of **** up decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg View Post
    We also threw 2 INTs in the redzone and one of the two in the endzone. That lost the game as much or more than the D, considering we were basically guaranteed at least 6 points if we take care of the ball. We lost by 5. You do the math. BOTH sides of the ball have to be better and so do the coaches. Jay Hughes in man on Amari Cooper on the goal line is one of the biggest **** up decisions in the history of **** up decisions.
    uh-gree

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    Our coaching staff let us down after the Auburn game more than any players did. Bama game we looked shell shocked, Ole Miss we were the better team and looked flat, totally not interested. That falls on coaching. I do agree though that the defense lost that game

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTHOM View Post
    Our coaching staff let us down after the Auburn game more than any players did. Bama game we looked shell shocked, Ole Miss we were the better team and looked flat, totally not interested. That falls on coaching. I do agree though that the defense lost that game
    I'm sorry I have to really disagree with the idea of a shell shocked or flat team is automatically on the coaching. There is not a human alive or dead that can motivate players to be up to their potential for every game. Momentum and execution (which is mostly on players) breeds playing at a high level. But there are just times when no matter what you do the team is going to be flat or play off. That goes for the pros as well. There is plenty of other areas you can look at as for as coaching but a flat team is a complicated issue that may have a lot or nothing to do with the coaching. If the Bama game didn't get too big for Dak (turnovers in redzone), then that game could have been much different. And I agree the second half, besides the one defensive series, we looked like a much different team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Really Clark? View Post
    I'm sorry I have to really disagree with the idea of a shell shocked or flat team is automatically on the coaching. There is not a human alive or dead that can motivate players to be up to their potential for every game. Momentum and execution (which is mostly on players) breeds playing at a high level. But there are just times when no matter what you do the team is going to be flat or play off. That goes for the pros as well. There is plenty of other areas you can look at as for as coaching but a flat team is a complicated issue that may have a lot or nothing to do with the coaching. If the Bama game didn't get too big for Dak (turnovers in redzone), then that game could have been much different. And I agree the second half, besides the one defensive series, we looked like a much different team.
    Apparently we used up all our emotion last year in demolishing Vandy 51-0. Nothing left at that point for OM I guess because no doubt we didn't come out with the emotional edge we needed (same as in 2012 up there).

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    Quote Originally Posted by maroonmania View Post
    Apparently we used up all our emotion last year in demolishing Vandy 51-0. Nothing left at that point for OM I guess because no doubt we didn't come out with the emotional edge we needed (same as in 2012 up there).
    I actually thought we lost some edge after the Auburn game. I'm not sure that the buy week didn't do more harm than good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Really Clark? View Post
    I actually thought we lost some edge after the Auburn game. I'm not sure that the buy week didn't do more harm than good.
    Yup, a sell week would have been much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnson85 View Post
    Yup, a sell week would have been much better.
    That's a good one. I'll admit having Jay Hughes on Amari Cooper on the goal line was a bad decision, but not sure it was worse than putting Broomfield on Alshon Jeffery. Both were terrible coaching decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnson85 View Post
    Yup, a sell week would have been much better.
    Lol. Good one. Stupid typo's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCDawg View Post
    That's a good one. I'll admit having Jay Hughes on Amari Cooper on the goal line was a bad decision, but not sure it was worse than putting Broomfield on Alshon Jeffery. Both were terrible coaching decisions.
    No, Broomfield on Jeffery was a busted assignment. Banks was supposed to be on Jeffery but somehow didn't get the instruction. Broomfield saw what was happening and tried to cover Jeffery instead of leaving him wide ass open. One is a mental error by the players. Sucks, but it happens. The other is an intentional decision by the coaches that's entirely inexcusable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg View Post
    We also threw 2 INTs in the redzone and one of the two in the endzone. That lost the game as much or more than the D, considering we were basically guaranteed at least 6 points if we take care of the ball. We lost by 5. You do the math. BOTH sides of the ball have to be better and so do the coaches. Jay Hughes in man on Amari Cooper on the goal line is one of the biggest **** up decisions in the history of **** up decisions.
    Illegal procedure when in the goal to goal situation was mighty huge at the time, a major momentum killer, as well as costing us 4 points.

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