Stands and this "top of the SEC" BS that keeps getting thrown around on here

[Coach34]

Ray would probably do pretty well at the YMCA where they focus more on discipline and sportsmanship and winning is a secondary consideration.

Coaching? Slight lean Ray
Discipline? Ray in a landslide
Recruiting? Stands in landslide to this point

[Dawg61]

Coaching? Slight lean Ray
Discipline? Ray in a landslide
Recruiting? Stands in landslide to this point

Stansbury is 9th all-time in the SEC in wins. Quit shitting on Stansbury by saying "slight lean Ray". That is a joke. I wanted RS fired too.

[Coach34]

So what? He is a very good recruiter that rarely won a big game...Stands was 1-24 vs RPI top 25 teams his last 6-7 years or something like that. Nothing about that spells good coach...he was a good recruiter

[Liverpooldawg]

So what? He is a very good recruiter that rarely won a big game...Stands was 1-24 vs RPI top 25 teams his last 6-7 years or something like that. Nothing about that spells good coach...he was a good recruiter

At least he DID win a few big games. We don't even HAVE big games anymore. You got what you wanted, he is gone. I hope you are enjoying it.

[Dallas_Dawg]

Why don't Yall realize that neither of you are right? Stands had to go when he left and Ray sucks ass. Time to move on and find a new coach, one that the Network will support.
Sorry that's just the world we live in

[Coach34]

At least he DID win a few big games. We don't even HAVE big games anymore. You got what you wanted, he is gone. I hope you are enjoying it.

Had to rebuild. If Ray doesnt get it done- its off to the next guy. I do enjoy watching a team plays balls out and get everything out of their ability. Thats been nice- altho frustrating we have lost a few close games we could have pulled out with a big shot here and there

[ScoobaDawg]

Why don't Yall realize that neither of you are right? Stands had to go when he left and Ray sucks ass. Time to move on and find a new coach, one that the Network will support.
Sorry that's just the world we live in

because Coach has the rod and keeps tossing the bait out and they kept biting.
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[Liverpooldawg]

These threads always show up on slow days. Just helping him with his hit count.

[Political Hack]

Coaching? Slight lean Ray
Discipline? Ray in a landslide
Recruiting? Stands in landslide to this point

Disagree up through current day.

Defensive coaching, Stans.

Offensive coaching, it's a special fight.

[tcdog70]

Normally that would be true enough. Coaches with any length of a career in one place will have peaks and valleys. The problem with Stans was not that he had a downward trend in results, it was that he had a downward trend in players' respect for the coaching staff. For much of Stansubry's career, Stansbury managed to recruit players that were higher character than the baseball or football players. But the character of his players trended steadily downward and that was a real problem for him by the time he left. As far as I know, Ware, Thomas, and Sword have kept entirely out of trouble since they've been here, so maybe he could have turned it around with them. But he also would have been bringing Gray, who had some red flags to say the least. And there would have been upper classmen on the team that possibly Stansbury wouldn't have been in a good position to discipline. Maybe those players would have been a bad influence on the freshmen, maybe not. Certainly Stewart and Varnado never seemed to be brought down by their teammates, but there are a lot more examples of players that were. It just would have been tough for Stansbury (or any coach in his position) to change the culture with players that he brought in and when he had allowed the culture to degenerate to the place it had.

There's no arguing that Stansbury did a lot for MSU and State fans on the whole should be very appreciative of Stansbury, but what Stricklin did was certainly not awful. It wasn't a no-brainer decision either way. If Stansbury had stayed another year, that would have been fine with me. I certainly think it was a mistake to fire him without having a better grasp on what the replacement options were. But he wasn't entitled to another year.

Do you remember Rhodes kissing the floor at the Hump. Do you remember. Kodi becoming a good SEC player and having a great attitude his Sr Year. How come Stans doesn't get credit for turning these two around. The reason we were successful was Rick took a chance on some talented players that had issues He could have played it safe and signed high character players with no talent and get our ass beat like most State teams before He arrived. I look at this as two different issues.
1. The winningest coach in our history got a bum deal.
2. Rick Ray is a bad coach and he needs to go.

To me these two issues are not entwined . When we are discussing Rick Ray why even mention Stansbury?

[Coach34]

. When we are discussing Rick Ray why even mention Stansbury?

This thread was about Stands- why discuss Rick Ray????

[Bully13]

[QUOTE=Coach34;338122]This thread was about Stands- why discuss Rick Ray????[/QUOTE

because we have digressed X 10 since Stan's departure

[ScoobaDawg]

Do you remember Rhodes kissing the floor at the Hump. Do you remember. Kodi becoming a good SEC player and having a great attitude his Sr Year. How come Stans doesn't get credit for turning these two around. The reason we were successful was Rick took a chance on some talented players that had issues He could have played it safe and signed high character players with no talent and get our ass beat like most State teams before He arrived. I look at this as two different issues.
1. The winningest coach in our history got a bum deal.
2. Rick Ray is a bad coach and he needs to go.

To me these two issues are not entwined . When we are discussing Rick Ray why even mention Stansbury?

Because that wasn't Stans. That was Robert Kirby, which is another key piece why Stans wasn't going to turn it around.
Those talented players had issues off the court and Kirby helped keep them in line for the most part but even that was overrun when Gordon and Sidney did whatever the hell they wanted and were pretty much off limits.

[Coach34]

Because that wasn't Stans. That was Robert Kirby, which is another key piece why Stans wasn't going to turn it around.
Those talented players had issues off the court and Kirby helped keep them in line for the most part but even that was overrun when Gordon and Sidney did whatever the hell they wanted and were pretty much off limits.

exactly

Gotta love when someone close to the team lets out bits of actual info

[mcdawg]

Who said I liked what we currently have on the court? I am actually more likely to spend and watch this team play than I was to spend and watch Sidney cross the court less than 10 times per game while the rest of the team stood around getting beat by teams way worse than them.

That was 1 player, and he was gone. So, you only have this bad team to watch. So, call the Ticket Office and Bulldog Club to buy my tickets. People like you keep bashing Stans, so put your money where your mouth is and spend your valuable money/time. Don't just come on this board and blast - that is easy. Just like MANY people that I know - I am not spending any more of my money/time on men's basketball.

[tcdog70]

Because that wasn't Stans. That was Robert Kirby, which is another key piece why Stans wasn't going to turn it around.
Those talented players had issues off the court and Kirby helped keep them in line for the most part but even that was overrun when Gordon and Sidney did whatever the hell they wanted and were pretty much off limits.

Just a question what did you do to put you "Close to the Team". And why was Jamont and Sidney off limits and Kodi and Rhodes not? And who hired Kirby?

[CottonDog]

We aren't winning now. That's all that matters.