Stands and this "top of the SEC" BS that keeps getting thrown around on here

[Coach34]

The Johnson guy gets it

[Liverpooldawg]

W

aGAIN- that has zero to do with the actual results. The University of Stands people- like yourself you Kozy-born hardheaded man- continually say we were tops on the SEC with Stands. And that is an outright lie. We were a middle of the pack SEC team under Stands the last half of his tenure. And also the 1st 3 years of his tenure. He had a very good 4 yr run from 2002-2005- but by 2012, those days were long gone and never coming back.

We were middle of the pack SEC the last half of his tenure- that's all I'm establishing- and would appreciate you guys being honest in future threads

You got your wish. Things changed. We are now firmly entrenched in the lower reaches of the league.

[BiscuitEater]

We were in no way, shape, or form "top of the SEC" Stands' last 7 seasons. We were a middle of the pack SEC basketball team with a shitload of drama

Lotta 'hate' in that post. Sorry, but even in Stan's 'worse' year may end up being better than Ray's best year.

[tcdog70]

34, you lose credibility in your asinine rant, when you selectively pick His Worst years. Look at the whole ball of wax. He won more games than any Coach in our history. To assume that if He stayed He would have continued to have our program go down has no basis. What is Alabama had fired Bear Bryant when He had a dip in the late 60's. Stansbury made MSU a Force in the SEC and He did it longer than any Coach in our History. He should have been given another Year to right the Ship and if He couldn't then Fire Him. He deserved that. What Strick did was awful.He is getting what He deserves, and the people that are suffering are the Bulldog Basketball Fans.

[War Machine Dawg]

Why is this^ so hard to see? We weren't a national power during the stans years. I understand we weren't the bottom of the league either. But to listen to some of you we got rid of Adolph rupp. We underachieved we the talent we had in more than 10 of his 14 years. Kudos to to him for getting the talent, that's part of it. But boy did he ever f it up once we got it.

Nailed it. Other than a 2 season stretch where he caught lightning in a bottle with Bowers & L-Rob's team, we were never much more than a middle of the pack SEC team. And even in those 2 seasons, Stans managed to flame out without reaching the Sweet 16. And he totally missed the Big Dance with the '09 team that had seniors Varnado & Stewart, freshman Bost who Stans had already publicly called the best PG he'd coached, and damn good role players in Ravern, Turner, Kodi, etc. If he couldn't make the NCAAT with that group, he wasn't going to make it again. Don't know why that is so hard to understand.

[Johnson85]

To assume that if He stayed He would have continued to have our program go down has no basis.

Normally that would be true enough. Coaches with any length of a career in one place will have peaks and valleys. The problem with Stans was not that he had a downward trend in results, it was that he had a downward trend in players' respect for the coaching staff. For much of Stansubry's career, Stansbury managed to recruit players that were higher character than the baseball or football players. But the character of his players trended steadily downward and that was a real problem for him by the time he left. As far as I know, Ware, Thomas, and Sword have kept entirely out of trouble since they've been here, so maybe he could have turned it around with them. But he also would have been bringing Gray, who had some red flags to say the least. And there would have been upper classmen on the team that possibly Stansbury wouldn't have been in a good position to discipline. Maybe those players would have been a bad influence on the freshmen, maybe not. Certainly Stewart and Varnado never seemed to be brought down by their teammates, but there are a lot more examples of players that were. It just would have been tough for Stansbury (or any coach in his position) to change the culture with players that he brought in and when he had allowed the culture to degenerate to the place it had.

There's no arguing that Stansbury did a lot for MSU and State fans on the whole should be very appreciative of Stansbury, but what Stricklin did was certainly not awful. It wasn't a no-brainer decision either way. If Stansbury had stayed another year, that would have been fine with me. I certainly think it was a mistake to fire him without having a better grasp on what the replacement options were. But he wasn't entitled to another year.

[Coach34]

Lotta 'hate' in that post. Sorry, but even in Stan's 'worse' year may end up being better than Ray's best year.

aGAIN- has nothing to do with this thread

[Coach34]

34, you lose credibility in your asinine rant, when you selectively pick His Worst years. Look at the whole ball of wax.

I picked his last SEVEN years- the last half of his tenure and the most recent. Those are the most relevant. The last half of his tenure we were middle of the pack- the proof is right there- you cant deny it or spin it.

[Liverpooldawg]

Middle of the pack............looks mighty good compared to where we are now. You can't deny it or spin it.

[ScoobaDawg]

Dear god... why do people argue with Coach about Stans still? Coach34 loves nothing more than trounching on his grave as a head coach.
Coach is right he wasnt a good coach any more. He was a hell of a recruiter. The simple fact that he won't every be a Head coach again speaks enough.
Stansbury was not going to turn the program around. Let it die.

But on the same hand, Stans being a bad coach does not compute with how horrible a coach Ray is.
Ray will get next year and hopefully that is enough of that.


Stansbury is gone and anyone trying to support him or saying he would do a better job should just go root for him as an Asst for the Aggies.

[ScoobaDawg]

34, you lose credibility in your asinine rant, when you selectively pick His Worst years.

He picked his last 7 years. Nothing selective about half his career.

Look at the whole ball of wax. He won more games than any Coach in our history.

With our history that doesn't mean much of anything than He was marginally better than everyone else that sucked or stuck around long enough. Not always something to hang your hat on.

To assume that if He stayed He would have continued to have our program go down has no basis.

The fact he was not hired as a head coach ANYWHERE shows noone believed in him.

What is Alabama had fired Bear Bryant when He had a dip in the late 60's.

You don't want to play what if's What if Sidney or someone else went off and shot and killed another player instead of just fighting.

Stansbury made MSU a Force in the SEC and He did it longer than any Coach in our History. He should have been given another Year to right the Ship and if He couldn't then Fire Him. He deserved that. What Strick did was awful.He is getting what He deserves, and the people that are suffering are the Bulldog Basketball Fans.

He got more time than was needed. The ship had been sinking for a long time. I love Rick as a person and was around several of those later teams and It was getting worse. The inmates were running the asylum. It was time. Just let it go.

[Coach34]

Middle of the pack............looks mighty good compared to where we are now. You can't deny it or spin it.

Has nothing to do with this thread

[smootness]

He should have been given another Year to right the Ship and if He couldn't then Fire Him. He deserved that.

Why?! He had that year. 2011-2012 was that year, and he failed.

2012-2013 was going to be far less talented and experienced than the year before. So what on earth would make it make sense to give him that year if he had failed with the previous year?

Think about the CEO of a company who has had them on a steady track, but there began to be rumors of insubordination and internal strife while the performance of the company suffered. So the CEO cleans house, brings in guys with a better track record than the ones he had, and trains them up. Then with everything in place, the company continues to putter along below expectations.

You would give that guy one more year, knowing those talented employees were leaving, and less skilled, less experienced people were coming in? For what purpose?

[MadDawg]

He picked his last 7 years. Nothing selective about half his career.

With our history that doesn't mean much of anything than He was marginally better than everyone else that sucked or stuck around long enough. Not always something to hang your hat on.


The fact he was not hired as a head coach ANYWHERE shows noone believed in him.

You don't want to play what if's What if Sidney or someone else went off and shot and killed another player instead of just fighting.



He got more time than was needed. The ship had been sinking for a long time. I love Rick as a person and was around several of those later teams and It was getting worse. The inmates were running the asylum. It was time. Just let it go.

Just playing devil's advocate here, but if we never get back to the level the former coach had us at, was it still time?

[ScoobaDawg]

Just playing devil's advocate here, but if we never get back to the level the former coach had us at, was it still time?

Yes. Even if Stans maintained his status quo of finishing at .500 in conference it was time. And I will not accept the notion we cannot ever do better than that position just because we haven't before. Thats an LT mindset.

[Goat from MSU]

Yes it was. But the Ray hire was .............. well you seeing the results now. Is his time to go?

Just playing devil's advocate here, but if we never get back to the level the former coach had us at, was it still time?

[Political Hack]

Stans's worst was better than Ray's best. Case closed.

[Liverpooldawg]

Has nothing to do with this thread

It has everything to do with it. Do you prefer where we are now or where we were then? Simple question.

[Coach34]

Stans's worst was better than Ray's best. Case closed.

At what? Not in team discipline

[Political Hack]

At what? Not in team discipline

Ray would probably do pretty well at the YMCA where they focus more on discipline and sportsmanship and winning is a secondary consideration.