Stands and this "top of the SEC" BS that keeps getting thrown around on here

[TUSK]

nobody misses that shit. People miss having more talented teams. But nobody misses the drama

I'm in NO way either a basketball/baseball cat, by any stretch of the imagination...

As a Bammer, I can recall winning a SECC with Mike Dubose in footbal in '99 (and openly rooting against Bama in those years), suffering through the fall of that secretariHo smackin Wimp who resided over a really good B-Ball run... and watching (arguably) the 2nd greatest all-time SEC baseball program slip late during Coach Wells' tenure...

sometimes, it's tough to "cut the cord"...

[MidTNDawg]

For the life of me, I cannot understand ANYBODY continues to bring this up! This is not even a big thing on SPS and goodness knows they have little enough sports threads anymore. Talk about a dead horse . . . Wow

[MidTNDawg]

For the life of me, I cannot understand why ANYBODY continues to bring this up! This is not even a big thing on SPS and goodness knows they have little enough sports threads anymore. Talk about a dead horse . . . Wow

[Goat from MSU]

Engie :It does not matter Coach has the problem his buddy who works on campus has .His head is up his ass so far that he may need a glass stomach to see out of. Our last coach has been gone 3 years he not causing losses to South Carolina Upstate and Home losses to Ole Miss and Georiga when we had leads in the 2nd half. Whatever

Why start this thread?

You can't just let bygones be bygones can you?

[msumudcat]

As a marketing/fundraising professional it's pretty simple.

Your product's "worth" or "relevance" (MBB) can be measured by excitement and butts in seats.

C34 why don't you publish attendance figures between what we had and what we have?

We now have a program that nobody wants to go see.

I used to drive 5 or 6 times a year from NW TN to watch. Did we always win? No...were we relevant and exciting? Yes.

Case closed.

[Schultzy]

Butler

[MadDawg]

That's an embarrassingly simple explanation.

We had a program that embarrassed the entire university under Stans, we don't now.
We were a joke under Stans, now we are less of a joke.
We were never again going to be a real factor nationally under Stans, now we at least have the hope of one day getting there again.

Those are also simply explanations that are just as valid as yours.

This is the biggest bullshit I've ever read on the interwebs.

[MadDawg]

And now we see that it really is Stans supporters, not the people who supported him leaving, that have the lowered expectations.

I retract my previous statement.

[Coach34]

As a marketing/fundraising professional it's pretty simple.

Your product's "worth" or "relevance" (MBB) can be measured by excitement and butts in seats.

C34 why don't you publish attendance figures between what we had and what we have?

We now have a program that nobody wants to go see.

I used to drive 5 or 6 times a year from NW TN to watch. Did we always win? No...were we relevant and exciting? Yes.

Case closed.

aGAIN- that has zero to do with the actual results. The University of Stands people- like yourself you Kozy-born hardheaded man- continually say we were tops on the SEC with Stands. And that is an outright lie. We were a middle of the pack SEC team under Stands the last half of his tenure. And also the 1st 3 years of his tenure. He had a very good 4 yr run from 2002-2005- but by 2012, those days were long gone and never coming back.

We were middle of the pack SEC the last half of his tenure- that's all I'm establishing- and would appreciate you guys being honest in future threads

[drunkernhelldawg]

That's an embarrassingly simple explanation.

We had a program that embarrassed the entire university under Stans, we don't now.
We were a joke under Stans, now we are less of a joke.
We were never again going to be a real factor nationally under Stans, now we at least have the hope of one day getting there again.

Those are also simply explanations that are just as valid as yours.

Hey, did y'all hear? Two college athletes had a fight with each other. Who thought that could ever happen? Surely it has never happened before. Oops. Shirley. My bad. I'm sooooooo embarrassed. It just dries my ****** right up.

[Bama_Dawg]

Can't we just bring Richard Williams back? ***

[TheDogFather]

aGAIN- that has zero to do with the actual results. The University of Stands people- like yourself you Kozy-born hardheaded man- continually say we were tops on the SEC with Stands. And that is an outright lie. We were a middle of the pack SEC team under Stands the last half of his tenure. And also the 1st 3 years of his tenure. He had a very good 4 yr run from 2002-2005- but by 2012, those days were long gone and never coming back.

We were middle of the pack SEC the last half of his tenure- that's all I'm establishing- and would appreciate you guys being honest in future threads

Ok. Ok. Everyone gets it. If we take out of consideration the most successful part of Stansbury's tenure, we get the least successful part.

[msumudcat]

Never said that we were tops in the SEC. Because of your hatred for RS, you can't see the truth. We were relevant under his leadership.

When RS was our coach we routinely sold out the Hump.

Now, we are jacked if 1500 shows.

It enthralls me to see my JUCO teammate and friend C34 avoid the relevance of our MBB. Butts in seats, butts in seats.

[Liverpooldawg]

We won 17 his next to last year.

And now we see that it really is Stans supporters, not the people who supported him leaving, that have the lowered expectations.

If being a slightly-above-.500 SEC team is 'kicking a**' then sure, bring Stans back. Just realize we would pretty much be assuring we never did any better than that. Ever again. And again, the program was actually trending downward, so even that was probably going to be expecting too much.

The reason we wanted Stans gone at the end is because we want to ultimately do better than what he offered. If Ray isn't the guy to do it, fine, get rid of him and try somebody else. But trying and failing, which leads to trying again is far better than just accepting that you won't do better.

You got what you wanted. Stans is gone. Congrats on your achievement.

[msumudcat]

Btw, I rarely touched the field and C34 was a starter. Lack of talent and shit on my part.

[Liverpooldawg]

I miss hearing about our problems in the national media. If we had a fight now nobody would ever hear about it. If it was at home there might not be anyone there to see it. We had a nice run under the Williams/Stans regime but alas it wasn't good enough for the stature of the program so we had to end it.***

[Coach34]

Btw, I rarely touched the field and C34 was a starter. Lack of talent and shit on my part.

Your Jack Cristil imitation was one of the best out there

[msumudcat]

I love that man. Not to hi "jack" the thread but "pleasant good afternoon" to everyone.

[Goat from MSU]

Pure Gold Again that has zero to do with the actual results. Yes I vote to not to keep score the last three years .That could help Ray keep his job really.

aGAIN- that has zero to do with the actual results. The University of Stands people- like yourself you Kozy-born hardheaded man- continually say we were tops on the SEC with Stands. And that is an outright lie. We were a middle of the pack SEC team under Stands the last half of his tenure. And also the 1st 3 years of his tenure. He had a very good 4 yr run from 2002-2005- but by 2012, those days were long gone and never coming back.

We were middle of the pack SEC the last half of his tenure- that's all I'm establishing- and would appreciate you guys being honest in future threads

[Johnson85]

We were relevant under his leadership.

When RS was our coach we routinely sold out the Hump.

We were relevant because we could for the most part compete in any one game and had tournament quality talent, even if it was unlikely that we would actually make the tournament. There's no doubt that if anybody was satisfied with that, getting rid of Stansbury was the suck. Anybody that thought we were going to get rid of Stans and had a better than 50/50 (or even better than 40/60) chance of improving was delusional.

But at the same time, the basketball program was going to lose support regardless. Stansbury was on a downward slope and it would have been extremely hard for him to right the ship just because he would never get a fresh start with new players. We could have stuck with Stansbury and very likely "enjoyed" a slow decline. We would have been worse the last three years than Stans' last two years (probably not as bad as expected from the talent loss just because that talent hugely underachieved, even for Stans), but better than we have been with Rick Ray. But we're still talking about NIT teams, with that basically being our ceiling. I'd prefer that to what we have now, but at the same time, I would lose interest in that pretty quickly. We were going to have to suffer through a rebuild when we lost/fired Stansbury regardless, and I don't have a huge problem with facing that rebuild sooner rather than later, even though we could have had a few more NIT teams if we had waited.