I just still dont understand the bitter Stands supporters

[Schultzy]

dawgs!...our situation wasn't that much different than other P5 rebuilds?!?!? We didn't even have enough people on the damn team to run a five on five friggin scrimmage the entire first year.

That is not just atypical but completely unheard of. This guy risked his entire coaching career to come try to save this dumpster after at least five others had turned it down. Some of you people need a sense of proportion here.

Bilas and others were actively campaigning for weeks on end in the bubble years to keep us out of the tournament because of how little they thought of our program. Right or wrong on Bilas' and other pundits part (Vitale) that's not good for MSU for national pundits to be blasting us day in and day out to keep us out of the tournament with as good of teams as we had back then.

[Liverpooldawg]

It was not over in the minds of the pool of coaches we were trying to hire. And it's not about Baylor anyway, with the shape Ray inherited the program, we shouldn't be further along than we are currently outside of landing a five star dominant player.

We had been investigated out the wazoo and totally cleared. They found nothing. We had no NCAA troubles of any kind. That was public knowledge, except among the people who wanted Stans gone. They refused to notice that.

[HoopsDawg]

dawgs!...our situation wasn't that much different than other P5 rebuilds?!?!? We didn't even have enough people on the damn team to run a five on five friggin scrimmage the entire first year.

That is not just atypical but completely unheard of. This guy risked his entire coaching career to come try to save this dumpster after at least five others had turned it down. Some of you people need a sense of proportion here.

Bilas and others were actively campaigning for weeks on end in the bubble years to keep us out of the tournament because of how little they thought of our program. Right or wrong on Bilas' and other pundits part (Vitale) that's not good for MSU for national pundits to be blasting us day in and day out to keep us out of the tournament with as good of teams as we had back then.

Bilas must have said 20 times on national TV that you can't put in a team that lost to Rider. Even though Rider was the first game of our season and we took 1 seed UK to overtime Twice including the SECT finals. At the same time he championed Utah St who had no quality wins. That MSU team deserved to be in the NCAAT.

[dawgs]

dawgs!...our situation wasn't that much different than other P5 rebuilds?!?!? We didn't even have enough people on the damn team to run a five on five friggin scrimmage the entire first year.

That is not just atypical but completely unheard of. This guy risked his entire coaching career to come try to save this dumpster after at least five others had turned it down. Some of you people need a sense of proportion here.

Bilas and others were actively campaigning for weeks on end in the bubble years to keep us out of the tournament because of how little they thought of our program. Right or wrong on Bilas' and other pundits part (Vitale) that's not good for MSU for national pundits to be blasting us day in and day out to keep us out of the tournament with as good of teams as we had back then.

I have a sense of proportion. Given our "improvement" from years 1-3, i just don't see us suddenly making a huge leap, and then the core group of players will be gone. Not sure why I'll expect a bunch of backups to improve more than seniors that played 35+ min a game since their freshman season. Face it, we should at least be an NIT team THIS SEASON if we want to actually make noise next year.

[TheDogFather]

Can we put a moratorium on discussing Stans? No one is going to ever change their mind on him. Regardless of whether you think he should or shouldn't have been let go, it's over. He's gone. It's way past time to be debating on the present and not on the past.

Is this aimed at Coach34? He's the on who started this crap. On purpose I might add.

[TheDogFather]

So was what coach said "a direct quote" -- or "something like"? And if it was "something like", why are you adding quotations to your own statement?

Coach said alot of outlandish stuff about Stans at times -- and I don't think even he would deny that -- but you still need to produce the source quote for the approach you took to arguing it.

Everybody gets one guess at which one is Coach34 and which one is engie.

[TheDogFather]

The bottom line is this. Rick had let the program get so bad that Scott was getting turned down by multiple mid major head coaches, and he knew nothing would change if he had done what some alumni/former players wanted and hired Kenny Payne. Rick Ray essentially took a job he was likely never going to be able to win with. The coach that succeeded Rick Stansbury was doomed to fail due to the mess he was inheriting, unless the administration is patient and gives them 5-6 years like Baylor did with Scott Drew.

You forgot the part about Coach34 continuously over-inflating Rick Ray's ability, and continuously demeaning Rick Stansbury in every way possible (and some ways never though possible). Kind of like when he said Ray's defense was so good that other SEC coaches were copying it. (that's a direct quote, engie)

[TheDogFather]

This is a perfect example of talking out of both sides of your mouth. If you had actually moved on, you wouldn't still be taking jabs under the pretense that what the program is right now, today, is "what anyone actually wished for". It isn't. Everyone understands that you were satisfied being a top 100 program into perpetuity like we were over the past 7 years -- that doesn't make anyone that aspired for more "wrong."

While coach apparently hasn't let it go -- it's pretty clear that almost no one on the other side of the fence has let it go yet either...

I will let it go when we have a program of the same caliber we once had. That was the goal wasn't it? To improve the program? It shouldn't be that hard according to yours and Coach's description of Stansbury's capabilities. I'd hate to find out that this was about personalities.

[Schultzy]

Bilas must have said 20 times on national TV that you can't put in a team that lost to Rider. Even though Rider was the first game of our season and we took 1 seed UK to overtime Twice including the SECT finals. At the same time he championed Utah St who had no quality wins. That MSU team deserved to be in the NCAAT.

No doubt It did deserve to be in and we beat that Kentucky team at home that year and in the SEC tournament if not for outrageously poor officiating in both games, especially the one in Starkville.
It was not fair to Stansbury or MSU but I think indicative of the inside basketball world's attitude toward our program. (Bilas' campaign and the officiating)
Calipari practically begged the committee to let us in in his interviews bc he knew we had been jobbed in both games.

There is just no way for anyone to know yet if Ray can get it done yet though, based on what he had to start with. Everyone is jumping the gun with their absolutes.

[DancingRabbit]

Everybody gets one guess at which one is Coach34 and which one is engie.

Actually, I think that's C34 and fishwater. Engie has original thoughts and brings facts. Got no problem with Engie except that (cough cough) fire Mullen campaign.

[MadDawg]

No shit on Malik, but thanks for showing your "inside" knowledge. Listen BUB, just because you show your ass on a message board it doesn't mean that what I'm saying isn't accurate. Stans was a recruiter and nothing more. Most people know that- sorry you don't.

Went from full retard to full dumbass. Nice job.

[Dawgface]

The 'nice job' award goes to C34. He got what he wanted out of this thread.

[MadDawg]

Sorry, but that OM loss didn't hurt them that much. They're still in the tourney.

Seems this Thursday you're in a real pickle. Do you detest ray or Om more? OM loses to us and they're on the outside looking in. We win and ray has another quality win this year to get to .500 and 6-7 in the sec

We are an RPI killer. Whether OM wins or loses to us, their RPI will suffer. We are a SWAC school now.

[cheewgumm]

I don't have any problem with Stans being gone but At the time all this wS happening most people were saying we had to get rid of Stans because we didn't win enough, not because he lost control of the program. The mantra at the time was we've only been t x number of sweet 16s.

That wa a good enough reason. Stans brought great talent and we couldn't make the tourney in the end. That team with Sidney and Hood would be the 2ndmost talented in the SEC right niw and one of the most talented in the country. They didn't make the tourney.

[Coach007]

Hood was gone

The same Gray that has lost his starting job at LSU and averages 1.5 more turnover per game than Ready? You think having him would have been a good thing?

Just stop. You always have to lie to try and make a point. If you have to lie, then maybe your cause isn't just.


Hood made it very.... Very clear that he transferred due to stans not being his coach anymore. That's his words. Not a moma's brother's aunt who overheard her uncles nephew twice removed say it, so it must be true.

We also lost a lot of recruits that would have come in with that group.


Finally, we still have all the issues you mentioned. Arrests have happened, drugs used, players transferring out. Now we can add massive injuries. Want to mention the letter..... Lol... Why not mention the guy who wanted to return, but Ray would not allow? Oh wait, we know the answer on why you don't tell the truth. It does not fit your need.


http://www.dukechronicle.com/article...s#.VOIksEdOKrU

Hood said. “It wasn’t like I just decided to leave. My coach left. I went to that school to play for that coach. When he left, I felt like a big part of me left, as far as the reason I went to the school. "

[Coach34]

There was no lie- not have I EVER LIED. I posted the article with it.

What other recruits did we lose? Gray was the only one

[Coach007]

You did.... I quoted it. Then quoted hood's exact words. Not a source.. His. The link is there for all to see.

It's a simple fact that most people see. You got what you wanted. Now let it go. No need in continuing the assassination of his character to make yourself feel better or try to make a point.

Either way... There's just no need in not being truthful.

[thf24]

We also lost a lot of recruits that would have come in with that group.

Um... no we didn't. That class was Gray, Sword, Thomas, and Ware. We lost one of the four players we would have taken if Stansbury had stayed. You are talking straight out your ass on that one, isn't that what you're accusing 34 of doing?

As for Hood, you're ignoring the strong evidence that he and family expressed interest in getting out of his LOI prior the the start of the 2011-2012 season, and were looking at transfer options in February of 2012. The truth is that no one knows what Hood was really thinking or what he would have done under different circumstances. One quote in a newspaper article by a 19-year-old after all the decisions had been made doesn't prove anything. You're only going on whatever information in convenient for your opinion. Again, isn't that exactly what you're accusing someone else of doing in the same post?

[Coach34]

You did.... I quoted it. Then quoted hood's exact words. Not a source.. His. The link is there for all to see.

It's a simple fact that most people see. You got what you wanted. Now let it go. No need in continuing the assassination of his character to make yourself feel better or try to make a point.

Either way... There's just no need in not being truthful.

I also had quotes from him and his Father. I'm not seeing the problem here except that my quotes were when the situation was going on and your quotes are two years after the fact.

Also- where had anyone attacked Stands character????

[shannondawg]

I haven't seen anyone suggest that if Stansbury was still here that we would have brought in some highly talented transfers. Andy Kennedy has 3 that are really helping his team this year.

Just adding that , not to get into the argument of whether he should still be here or gone.

Um... no we didn't. That class was Gray, Sword, Thomas, and Ware. We lost one of the four players we would have taken if Stansbury had stayed. You are talking straight out your ass on that one, isn't that what you're accusing 34 of doing?

As for Hood, you're ignoring the strong evidence that he and family expressed interest in getting out of his LOI prior the the start of the 2011-2012 season, and were looking at transfer options in February of 2012. The truth is that no one knows what Hood was really thinking or what he would have done under different circumstances. One quote in a newspaper article by a 19-year-old after all the decisions had been made doesn't prove anything. You're only going on whatever information in convenient for your opinion. Again, isn't that exactly what you're accusing someone else of doing in the same post?