I gotta strong hunch it's gonna be Orgeron

[Ifyouonlyknew]

So two DL coaches and two secondary coaches and that's it, none of which have technically served as a DC? I don't believe that is the final solution.

That's fine I'm just telling what the plan is as of today. If we get O the plan "As of Today" is for him to be the DC/LB Coach. If you think something else happens that's cool just telling what I know right now.

[Thick]

WILD BOYZ!!!!!

Half time entertainment will be O wrestling Hev on the 50 yard line! Death Cage match!!

That's funny!!

[defiantdog]

That's fine I'm just telling what the plan is as of today. If we get O the plan "As of Today" is for him to be the DC/LB Coach. If you think something else happens that's cool just telling what I know right now.

I've heard the rumor of coach o thinking about joining Riley at Nebraska. You think he's looking at which school will pay more?

[engie]

I just want to know why you think he can handle it considering he hasn't coached it in 20 years. I think his name and recruiting ability is masking two fairly obvious flaws of this hire as a defensive coordinator, and that's the complete lack of LB coaching experience we would have on staff assuming that's the position he would take over if he is hired, and that he's never been a defensive coordinator.

I can't believe some would want to hire someone as our defensive coordinator and LB coach that doesn't have DC experience or LB experience but can recruit very well. I agree the potential is there, but to me the ONLY way this is a home run hire is if Orgeron gets paid to be the DL coach and recruiting coordinator and we go out and find a DC like a Clark or a Durkin or a Shannon that actually has DC experience and can coach LBs.

It might work out yes. But if we think Turner as our DL coach and Orgeron as our DC/LB coach or Orgeron as the DC/DL coach and Turner as the LB coach is a home run than we've become very misguided as a fan base in what a successful program looks like. A home run is Turner goes to UF or we "go a different direction" and we shell out big bucks to hire Orgeron as the DL coach/recruiting coordinator and Clark/Shannon/Durkin as our DC/LB coach.

Same concerns here. It doesn't make practical sense. My feelings are identical to yours...

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I've heard the rumor of coach o thinking about joining Riley at Nebraska. You think he's looking at which school will pay more?

He very well may. I'm not saying it's a done deal bc we know nothing is final until they're on campus but it's very close to being official.

[HoopsDawg]

Same concerns here. It doesn't make practical sense. My feelings are identical to yours...

Have a little vision gentlemen. It's amazing that you value Bill Clark's time as a DC at South Alabama more than O's experience as a SEC head coach and a HC at USC. Shannon hasn't coached a defense in 8 years and when he did, he had NFL players at every position. O is not a head coach and he is not an offensive coach. But the man knows Defense. He was heavily involved with the defenses at Ole Miss and USC.

[MetEdDawg]

Same concerns here. It doesn't make practical sense. My feelings are identical to yours...

Glad someone else feels the same. I can't believe a lot of us are falling into this recruiting is everything trap and don't see the other ramifications it has. We seem to be doing just fine right now with our 2015 and 2016 class. Much better than in the past. Is Orgeron going to help us so much more in recruiting that we just say screw the LB unit he will figure it out along the way? What coach or university in our current position does that?

If we hire Orgeron as our DC/LB coach and that's the only coaching move we make there, I will be extremely unimpressed with the vision of where our football program needs to go.

[MetEdDawg]

Have a little vision gentlemen. It's amazing that you value Bill Clark's time as a DC at South Alabama more than O's experience as a SEC head coach and a HC at USC. Shannon hasn't coached a defense in 8 years and when he did, he had NFL players at every position. O is not a head coach and he is not an offensive coach. But the man knows Defense. He was heavily involved with the defenses at Ole Miss and USC.

Then why has he never been a defensive coordinator and been a sucky SEC HC? And I guess Orgeron having a bunch of NFL players at USC doesn't count for him but it does for Shannon?

Croom is not a HC or a defensive coach but the man knows running backs and has SEC HC experience. Heck he's got years in the NFL too AND was an OC for the Lions. I say we bring him on as OC for us.

[Liverpooldawg]

Glad someone else feels the same. I can't believe a lot of us are falling into this recruiting is everything trap and don't see the other ramifications it has. We seem to be doing just fine right now with our 2015 and 2016 class. Much better than in the past. Is Orgeron going to help us so much more in recruiting that we just say screw the LB unit he will figure it out along the way? What coach or university in our current position does that?

If we hire Orgeron as our DC/LB coach and that's the only coaching move we make there, I will be extremely unimpressed with the vision of where our football program needs to go.

And I would be extremely impressed. An ex USC head coach on staff as an assistant? Come on man! O knows defense and recruiting. Its a no brainer homerun hire. That's why I don't think it will happen. We cant get that lucky.

[MetEdDawg]

And I would be extremely impressed. An ex USC head coach on staff as an assistant? Come on man! O knows defense and recruiting. Its a no brainer homerun hire. That's why I don't think it will happen. We cant get that lucky.

The bold is where you are wrong. If he knew defense, he would have been a defensive coordinator SOMEWHERE along the line in his 30 years of coaching. He hasn't been.

He does know recruiting, but he knows the defensive line. Why wasn't he the DC for the Saints? Or USC? Or Tennessee? Or Syracuse? I mean come on. Let's not give him more than he deserves. He's good at coaching the DL and recruiting but if he were that good at calling a defense he would have been hired as a defensive coordinator by this point in his career.

[starkvegasdawg]

And I would be extremely impressed. An ex USC head coach on staff as an assistant? Come on man! O knows defense and recruiting. Its a no brainer homerun hire. That's why I don't think it will happen. We cant get that lucky.

All comes down to which is stronger...the dead Indians' medicine men or the Cajuns' voodoo.

[HoopsDawg]

Then why has he never been a defensive coordinator and been a sucky SEC HC? And I guess Orgeron having a bunch of NFL players at USC doesn't count for him but it does for Shannon?

Croom is not a HC or a defensive coach but the man knows running backs and has SEC HC experience. Heck he's got years in the NFL too AND was an OC for the Lions. I say we bring him on as OC for us.

You've got your mind made up. I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise. Continue with your sulking....

[engie]

Have a little vision gentlemen. It's amazing that you value Bill Clark's time as a DC at South Alabama more than O's experience as a SEC head coach and a HC at USC. Shannon hasn't coached a defense in 8 years and when he did, he had NFL players at every position. O is not a head coach and he is not an offensive coach. But the man knows Defense. He was heavily involved with the defenses at Ole Miss and USC.

I wouldn't want Saban as offensive coordinator either...

[MetEdDawg]

You've got your mind made up. I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise. Continue with your sulking....

I'm not asking you to convince me. Just a difference of opinion. We should be able to have that. I'm just trying to get an explanation as to why he would be a good defensive coordinator for us and voicing my concerns as to why I think he's not a good choice. That's all I want. Other than he's a good recruiter, I just want to have a discussion as to why he would be a good defensive coordinator for us other than I think he can do it.

This is a big decision and something that bears discussion amongst our fan base. A lot of potential options are on the table. It's a topic worthy of discussion and back and forth.

[engie]

And I would be extremely impressed. An ex USC head coach on staff as an assistant? Come on man! O knows defense and recruiting. Its a no brainer homerun hire. That's why I don't think it will happen. We cant get that lucky.

As an assistant? Sure! Would love to have him.

As the guy in charge of our defense and can make or break one of the greatest potential seasons in MSU history? Something he's arguably never done and certainly never done against the spread -- and trotted an 80th ranked D on the field in 07 that Tyrone f'n Nix proved had elite talent the very next year? Nothing O's ever done inspires me that he'd be great as a defensive playcaller...

[ShotgunDawg]

I've heard the rumor of coach o thinking about joining Riley at Nebraska. You think he's looking at which school will pay more?

O would rather be at MSU than Nebraska. Closer to home, better players, and a greater platform (SEC) to promote himself as a head coach candidate.

If O does well as MSU's DC, he'll be a head coach within 2 years.

He'd be highly motivated and do great. I hope we get him. It's a homerun hire that could push us over the top.

[Coach34]

O wasn't DC at Tennessee or USC because Kiffin wanted to coach with his Dad- but O had a lot of input on things

[HoopsDawg]

O wasn't DC at Tennessee or USC because Kiffin wanted to coach with his Dad- but O had a lot of input on things

That's right. He even had some weird title like pre-game scheme coordinator. Hard to find 2 better guys to study under than Pete Carroll and Monte Kiffen.

[engie]

O wasn't DC at Tennessee or USC because Kiffin wanted to coach with his Dad- but O had a lot of input on things

So naturally when kiffin fired his dad, O got promoted right?

Nevermind that his mentor is basically the founder of the very defense our fanbase has come to hate so badly....

[TDawg52]

Street talk is that "O" interviewed last Monday night....