Quote Originally Posted by engie View Post
So you want us to do something you told us there was 100% NO WAY was going to happen. Blew up a dozen threads and basically destroyed the board about it to the extent that Newman couldn't even be discussed on any level whatsoever for a number of months. What gives?

Don't pull "show me something" now after you've been off the deep end about Ray basically since the inception of this board. That approach from Cadaver is fair because it's consistent with his long-term viewpoint, and while falling a bit on the pessimistic side, has never consistently been unreasonable. You owe the board an apology before you get to go "wait and see" or "show me something" after the destruction you've wrung toward people asking you to do that from the beginning. Quietly backtracking from the hard-line position you've taken about Ray both as a coach and recruiter that has played a huge role in making basketball an almost completely undiscussable topic on this board for 2 years now isn't going to work. Just own the fact that you just might have jumped the gun, and the rest of us will let it go.

Ray's last 2 commitments have been 4*s. The next 2 will most likely be another 4* and then we've got a great chance at a high 5*. And all of the guys seem to fit our system and personality as a team. Recruiting wheels are spinning up pretty well now. The path toward Ray having success here is looking more and more clear and more and more probable.
Lay off the scotch bro. At no point in my previous post did I say we've turned a corner or am I backing off my stance on our basketball team. We are awful. We don't have a fu@king POINT GUARD OR ANYBODY THAT CAN MAKE 3's!!! We are a team full of 3's and 4's. That's going to be real ugly real quick. If you're putting your eggs of hope in Sword and Ready you're in for a nightmare wake up call coming in one month. We are a damn steaming pile of mess. We had 26 turnovers vs VALLEY!! Butler has 26 turnovers in 6 games. At least in year 1-2 we could lay blame on zero bench. Now we have to face terrible straight in the face. There's no getting by it this year. You'll see it soon. It's so obvious and yet you still can't see it. You really shouldn't post about basketball. You're highly intelligent in many other facets of life but watching a basketball team and being able to identify wether it's good basketball or bad is not one of them.