Hey Hey goodbye: Braves trade

[Political Hack]

Heyward to Cards.

[msstate7]

I like it. Now hopefully we can resign jup

[Beaver]

It's not going to be popular with the casual Brave's fan, but this is a pretty decent trade. Heyward is a great defender, but his offensive output has been disappointing. I'll miss him making some incredible catches, but I won't miss his endless choppers to second base. Don't know much about the minor league guy, but Shelby is a nice young arm. Maybe the Braves will be able to lock him up for a few years.

[msstate7]

The minor league pitcher is a top 100 prospect.

Guess this means gattis is headed to of.

C -- bethancourt
1 -- ff
2 -- Peraza
Ss -- Simmons
3 -- Cj? Wanna upgrade
LF -- gattis
Cf -- bj?
Rf -- jup

Rotation:

Teheran
Minor
Wood
Miller
Hale -- maybe medlen or beachy

Like the rotation

[Beaver]

C -- bethancourt
1 -- ff
2 -- Peraza
Ss -- Simmons
3 -- Cj? Wanna upgrade
LF -- gattis
Cf -- bj?
Rf -- jup

If BJ doesn't suck again, that outfield could be pretty powerful. However, FF has to hit .300, and Peraza or anybody else who plays second has got to be productive.

[shoeless joe]

Heyward has been over rated since day 1 in the minors. Seems like a solid team guy but other than his first month in the bigs and the stint 2 years ago before his jaw was broke he has basically been a defensive role player.

Hopefully this trade turns out like the last one between these teams that involved a right fielder and a young pitcher...except in the braves favor this time.

[BrunswickDawg]

Heyward has been over rated since day 1 in the minors. Seems like a solid team guy but other than his first month in the bigs and the stint 2 years ago before his jaw was broke he has basically been a defensive role player.

Hopefully this trade turns out like the last one between these teams that involved a right fielder and a young pitcher...except in the braves favor this time.

Ugh, worst deal EVA! Wainright just kills me every time.

[War Machine Dawg]

Love this trade. What J-Hey thinks he's worth versus what the Braves think he's worth isn't in the same ballpark. I hate to lose Walden, but moving J-Hey was imperative. As it was pointed out above, the way is clear for El Oso Blanco to move to LF and should give us some room to re-sign J-Up. Plus we're getting 4 years of Shelby Miller. Don't know much about the prospect we got, but I'm guessing he's decent.

[KB21]

The biggest part of Jason Heyward's value is in his defense and his base running ability. He is coming up on his free agent year, and the anticipation is that someone is going to give him $20+ million a season despite his relatively mediocre offensive production and limited power to this point. I don't think the Braves want to pay that for just his defense and base running, but someone will do it in anticipation of what he is capable of offensively.

In return, the Braves got Shelby Miller, who is a damn fine starter and probably a future #2 guy in the rotation, and Tyrell Jenkins is a former top 100 prospect in the minors. The Braves are dedicated to rebuilding their farm system after Frank Wren, his brother, and Tony DeMacio oversaw the decline in the system from a top 10 to a bottom 10 system.

I hate losing Heyward, but the writing was apparently on the wall about him not signing an extension. Shelby Miller is signed through 2019.

[Todd4State]

What a dumb trade by the Cardinals. Holy shit.

I would much rather go with Piscotty and Grichuk rather than give up Miller for one year of Heyward. This would have made sense if Heyward could hit LH pitching so that they could use him in a platoon with Matt Adams. But Heyward isn't that good against LH pitching, so basically they have weakened their pitching staff and added to a glut in the outfield for a one year rental.

Jenkins had comps to Dwight Gooden coming out of high school. But he has had shoulder problems. Low risk, high reward prospect.

[PMDawg]

I bet Heyward puts up All Star numbers within the next 2 seasons. Something is wrong in ATL. Some of the hottest hitters can come in there and immediately begin sucking. I think its the Braves org. not the players.

[Political Hack]

need to move the whole damn lineup outside if JHey and Gattis.

Agree PM. He's a baller and is going to go wild for the Cards, but the Braves need a lefty starter bad so it may be a win win.

[Todd4State]

I bet Heyward puts up All Star numbers within the next 2 seasons. Something is wrong in ATL. Some of the hottest hitters can come in there and immediately begin sucking. I think its the Braves org. not the players.

Yeah IF that happens, I bet the Cardinals cheap asses let him walk after ONE year. As much as they are charging for tickets, they can't tell me that they don't have money.

If I were the Cardinals, in light of Oscar Taveras's death- this is the guy I would go after even though he is going to probably cost at least 40 million. Baseball fans are going to know about him very soon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shohei_Otani

[Dawg61]

Terrible trade for the Braves imo. Should of gotten Wacha for Heyward. Straight up. Heyward is an elite defender and he's young. Very young still at only 25. Gattis for Shelby Miller is fair. Heyward for him and a minor leaguer is rape by the Cards. Cards just upgraded big time over the unfortunate and tragic loss of Oscar Taveras.

[DudyDawg]

Todd, what do you see this doing with our rotation. Who replaces miller?

[Todd4State]

Terrible trade for the Braves imo. Should of gotten Wacha for Heyward. Straight up. Heyward is an elite defender and he's young. Very young still at only 25. Gattis for Shelby Miller is fair. Heyward for him and a minor leaguer is rape by the Cards. Cards just upgraded big time over the unfortunate and tragic loss of Oscar Taveras.

****. We just gave you a guy that hasn't hit his peak yet and is a potential 20 game winner. And you want more for a guy that is going to play for us for one year and was certainly going to leave Atlanta had you kept him leaving you with nothing but maybe an extra draft pick?

[Dawg61]

****. We just gave you a guy that hasn't hit his peak yet and is a potential 20 game winner. And you want more for a guy that is going to play for us for one year and was certainly going to leave Atlanta had you kept him leaving you with nothing but maybe an extra draft pick?

I'm a Giants fan. Y'all raped the Braves here. Wacha or no trade. Braves new GM off to a terrible start.

[Todd4State]

Todd, what do you see this doing with our rotation. Who replaces miller?

It's going to be:

1. Wainwright
2. Lynn
3. Wacha
4. Lackey
5. Carlos Martinez/Marco Gonzalez/Jamie Garcia if he is actually healthy which I strongly doubt he is.

So, my guess is it will be Gonzalez. It's scary because Wainwright just had surgery on his elbow and Wacha has to be considered a question mark at this point. I think Tim Cooney will be a dark horse candidate and I bet they go after a back end of the rotation guy that they can sign to a one year deal. There were rumors that they liked James Shields but that doesn't mean anything.

[Todd4State]

I'm a Giants fan. Y'all raped the Braves here. Wacha or no trade. Braves new GM off to a terrible start.

Ummm.....no. The Braves weren't going to keep Heyward beyond this year. They get a potential ace for cheap over the next four years. The odds of this blowing up in the Cardinals face long term is much, much, much higher.

And Heyward can't hit LH pitching- he will platoon with Grichuk. You don't trade a potential ace for a platoon OF and a set-up guy. Much less an even more established prospect in Wacha- who the Cardinals probably can't move right now anyway because of his injury this year and the fact that no one knows how he is going to recover from allowing that walk-off home run in the NLCS to end the season.

[Beaver]

Terrible trade for the Braves imo. Should of gotten Wacha for Heyward. Straight up. Heyward is an elite defender and he's young. Very young still at only 25. Gattis for Shelby Miller is fair. Heyward for him and a minor leaguer is rape by the Cards. Cards just upgraded big time over the unfortunate and tragic loss of Oscar Taveras.

Gattis for Miller? So a subpar defender with a .250 average who's 27 for a 23 year old SP rookie of the year? Surely you can't be serious...