Quote Originally Posted by MetEdDawg View Post
They are statistics. Now they are dependent upon how others on your team do which is different than sabermetrics which is typically more individual driven, but they also explain how a person performs over the course of a given period of time. Then you take the average of them all and you can figure out what they can be expected to do. That's the absolute definition of a statistic. You may not like that, but it is a statistic.

You 100% all in on sabermetric folks have redefined what you think are the "real" statistics to make the rest of the baseball world who trust their eyes and their gut and their observational skills feel like they don't know anything. I'm way too informed to allow that crap as are most others on here. Statistics don't take into account extra work in the cage, corrective eye surgery, injuries that may or may not be disclosed, mental changes by changing a person's position in a line up. Until they come up with statistics for those things, the eye test and the gut will still be viable tools in baseball.
So tell me this. BJ continues his .275 OBP average over the coarse of the next few weeks. However, Freddie Freeman goes into a slump and it takes Evan Gattis a while to get going once he comes off the DL. As a result, BJ Upton isn't scoring runs at as high of a clip. He's doing the same thing he is currently doing from the lead off position, which is getting on base rarely, but the guys behind him isn't knocking him in. Is BJ now less effective as a player since he is scoring runs at a lower rate even though he's doing everything else the same as he was?