Malik Newman update

[Dawg61]

I wonder how long it will be before Europe starts getting guys instead of 1& done. Get paid instead of college for a year.

Already happening, Brandon Jennings and Jeremy Tyler both did that

[Coach34]

I wonder how long it will be before Europe starts getting guys instead of 1& done. Get paid instead of college for a year.

I def think you will see that grow

[Schultzy]

Well put. Monta had no intention of playing college basketball unless he absolutely had to. Same with Outlaw

Same with Bender too.

[shannondawg]

there you have it folks- straight from the clowns mouth

CDL, they can't. Hell, I doubt most of em even buy season tickets..

From what I have heard and its pretty close to the source, the basketball program has zero backing. Other than the mouthing of the athletic dept. Pitful part of it, Ray has no idea how to go about getting support. And without it , say what you want , in this day and time, without it , you are dead in the water.

All the talk about Scott and Keenum wanting a clean program, what prompted that? The continual investigations of our basketball program under Stansbury. Don't believe I remember reading about any.

Truth of the matter, Ray couldn't do it even if he knew how.

[Homedawg]

CDL, they can't. Hell, I doubt most of em even buy season tickets..

From what I have heard and its pretty close to the source, the basketball program has zero backing. Other than the mouthing of the athletic dept. Pitful part of it, Ray has no idea how to go about getting support. And without it , say what you want , in this day and time, without it , you are dead in the water.

All the talk about Scott and Keenum wanting a clean program, what prompted that? The continual investigations of our basketball program under Stansbury. Don't believe I remember reading about any.

Truth of the matter, Ray couldn't do it even if he knew how.

Is be pissed if I'd have forked out my money to help Stan's just to watch him screw it up once the players got here. Hell I am pissed I've been buying tickets since I graduated.

[engie]

And all that is fair to Ray how? Thanks for explaining it to the "Ray can't recruit" crowd though...

Last I checked, these people are supposed to be MSU fans -- but they are a bunch of shortsighted hacks with their heads up their asses that CONTINUALLY choose coaches over the school they profess to love -- and are too damn dumb to see when those same coaches are letting the thing burn down... They are even too stupid to see their mistake when they did it with Polk and prolonged Cohen's rebuild by a couple of years -- and are, instead, stubbornly doing the same damn thing with Ray.

[Coach34]

CDL, they can't. Hell, I doubt most of em even buy season tickets..

From what I have heard and its pretty close to the source, the basketball program has zero backing. Other than the mouthing of the athletic dept. Pitful part of it, Ray has no idea how to go about getting support. And without it , say what you want , in this day and time, without it , you are dead in the water.

All the talk about Scott and Keenum wanting a clean program, what prompted that? The continual investigations of our basketball program under Stansbury. Don't believe I remember reading about any.

Truth of the matter, Ray couldn't do it even if he knew how.

A) No shit. Thats what we have been talking about. Ray gets no support- but he is supposed to work wonders.

B) Hardly anybody gets in trouble in basketball- you have to be an idiot to go on probation in basketball recruiting. Its legal to give money to AAU programs to "sponsor" them- which gets funneled to the recruits. That is what makes Pearl an idiot- although an idiot that is a very good coach. Stands did a great job on all that and so did our network guys like CoastGeezer, the Jackson furniture Moguls, and probably even you Shannondawg.

[Dawg61]

Hold on a second here. It's not the responsibility of the money to seek out Ray. It is the other way around. How hard is it for Ray to get a list of the top names and approach them, take them out to dinner, invite them to practice, invite them into the locker room, play a round of golf with them, pick up the phone and shoot the shit with them, enjoy a nice bottle of 18 year old scotch and a few cuban cigars with them? Make friends. Maybe not all of them want to be buddy buddy with Ray but I'm sure more do than don't. People want to support Ray and part of Ray's job is to schmooze with the money. He signed up for it. Calipari has to do this. Donovan has to do this. Every fu*king successful coach in college basketball has to do this. Is Ray making the effort here? I doubt it. Instead what is happening is the absolute worst way to go about making friends and that's blasting everyone and calling them Stansbury lovers. Is Ray too proud to ask people for help? Does he expect million dollar checks to just be given to him without him having to do anything for it? Wine and dine people. Make them feel loved and they will love back. PLAY THE FU*KING GAME

[engie]

Hold on a second here. It's not the responsibility of the money to seek out Ray. It is the other way around. How hard is it for Ray to get a list of the top names and approach them, take them out to dinner, invite them to practice, invite them into the locker room, play a round of golf with them, pick up the phone and shoot the shit with them, enjoy a nice bottle of 18 year old scotch and a few cuban cigars with them? Make friends. Maybe not all of them want to be buddy buddy with Ray but I'm sure more do than don't. People want to support Ray and part of Ray's job is to schmooze with the money. He signed up for it. Calipari has to do this. Donovan has to do this. Every fu*king successful coach in college basketball has to do this. Is Ray making the effort here? I doubt it. Instead what is happening is the absolute worst way to go about making friends and that's blasting everyone and calling them Stansbury lovers. Is Ray too proud to ask people for help? Does he expect million dollar checks to just be given to him without him having to do anything for it? Wine and dine people. Make them feel loved and they will love back. PLAY THE FU*KING GAME

You think Ray hasn't tried to do all of that? He's been met with a cold shoulder by a booster structure that(STILL) supports the previous coach.

It's funny that you bring up the alcohol thing -- because I heard a story early on about how he tried to have a beer with one of the key cogs in Stans' former recruiting network in his office, only to be told that he doesn't drink, and basically blackballed by the booster ever since(who apparently had every intention of that from the start -- as it's something really trivial to get your panties in a wad about).

Ray is asking people for help. Read what you've been told in this thread by at least 2 people that were involved in Stans' network. Ray enlisted Richard Williams' help on day 1 to try to get that support structure up and kicking. That's why RW has been around our program so much basically from the day Ray arrived. Yet, they have done little besides spin their wheels -- because the REAL players still support Stansbury over MSU. If you don't believe it, go read Geezer's rant on the pack about the football reseating -- and you'll see, clearly, that "supporting MSU" has been put on the backburner by a bunch of that crowd. And it's been sabotage city, either intentional or incidental, ever since.

This approach frigging pisses me off about our fanbase. Literally the EXACT same thing that happened early with Cohen -- and he STILL doesn't have 100% of the old money on his side to this day... We never learn from past mistakes -- we just repeat them directly thereafter -- that's one reason that we're stuck in the stone age 30 years behind the SEC for the most part.

It makes me almost want to go ahead and move past Ray -- because our history shows that the "next" guy will get the support to be successful on the front end -- while the "Ray/Cohen" coach has to win BIG BEFORE he gets any support. In basketball particularly, that's a tail wagging the dog uphill proposition.

[Coach34]

Hold on a second here. It's not the responsibility of the money to seek out Ray. It is the other way around. How hard is it for Ray to get a list of the top names and approach them, take them out to dinner, invite them to practice, invite them into the locker room, play a round of golf with them, pick up the phone and shoot the shit with them, enjoy a nice bottle of 18 year old scotch and a few cuban cigars with them? Make friends. Maybe not all of them want to be buddy buddy with Ray but I'm sure more do than don't. People want to support Ray and part of Ray's job is to schmooze with the money. He signed up for it. Calipari has to do this. Donovan has to do this. Every fu*king successful coach in college basketball has to do this. Is Ray making the effort here? I doubt it. Instead what is happening is the absolute worst way to go about making friends and that's blasting everyone and calling them Stansbury lovers. Is Ray too proud to ask people for help? Does he expect million dollar checks to just be given to him without him having to do anything for it? Wine and dine people. Make them feel loved and they will love back. PLAY THE FU*KING GAME

Dude- wtf????? Dawggeezer told the world in this thread that Ray and Richard Williams have been out trying to drum up support- and they are being told to **** off by the Stands supporters. What dont you get about that? Shit- I'm surprised Miskelly's still has a commercial run during basketball telecasts.

[Homedawg]

Hold on a second here. It's not the responsibility of the money to seek out Ray. It is the other way around. How hard is it for Ray to get a list of the top names and approach them, take them out to dinner, invite them to practice, invite them into the locker room, play a round of golf with them, pick up the phone and shoot the shit with them, enjoy a nice bottle of 18 year old scotch and a few cuban cigars with them? Make friends. Maybe not all of them want to be buddy buddy with Ray but I'm sure more do than don't. People want to support Ray and part of Ray's job is to schmooze with the money. He signed up for it. Calipari has to do this. Donovan has to do this. Every fu*king successful coach in college basketball has to do this. Is Ray making the effort here? I doubt it. Instead what is happening is the absolute worst way to go about making friends and that's blasting everyone and calling them Stansbury lovers. Is Ray too proud to ask people for help? Does he expect million dollar checks to just be given to him without him having to do anything for it? Wine and dine people. Make them feel loved and they will love back. PLAY THE FU*KING GAME

Well u have no clue what you are talking about. Yea he has sat around eating Bon bons and made no effort to talk to the people we need. None.***

[HailState39110]

You think Ray hasn't tried to do all of that? He's been met with a cold shoulder by a booster structure that(STILL) supports the previous coach.

It's funny that you bring up the alcohol thing -- because I heard a story early on about how he tried to have a beer with one of the key cogs in Stans' former recruiting network in his office, only to be told that he doesn't drink, and basically blackballed by the booster ever since(who apparently had every intention of that from the start -- as it's something really trivial to get your panties in a wad about).

Ray is asking people for help. Read what you've been told in this thread by at least 2 people that were involved in Stans' network. Ray enlisted Richard Williams' help on day 1 to try to get that support structure up and kicking. That's why RW has been around our program so much basically from the day Ray arrived. Yet, they have done little besides spin their wheels -- because the REAL players still support Stansbury over MSU. If you don't believe it, go read Geezer's rant on the pack about the football reseating -- and you'll see, clearly, that "supporting MSU" has been put on the backburner by a bunch of that crowd. And it's been sabotage city, either intentional or incidental, ever since.

This approach frigging pisses me off about our fanbase. Literally the EXACT same thing that happened early with Cohen -- and he STILL doesn't have 100% of the old money on his side to this day... We never learn from past mistakes -- we just repeat them directly thereafter -- that's one reason that we're stuck in the stone age 30 years behind the SEC for the most part.

It makes me almost want to go ahead and move past Ray -- because our history shows that the "next" guy will get the support to be successful on the front end -- while the "Ray/Cohen" coach has to win BIG BEFORE he gets any support. In basketball particularly, that's a tail wagging the dog uphill proposition.

Do you think it would have helped if our AD would have called multiple people in the network and asked who they would like as the next MSU basketball coach? I know for a fact Byrne made several calls to the top 25% of boosters to ask who they wanted as the next baseball coach when we hired Cohen . I talked to a couple who told me they received a personal phone call from Byrne during the baseball search . I think Stricklin did this hire on his own so I bet a few people felt like their input or financial support wasn't needed. As mentioned in a earlier post, you've got to play the game with the cigar boys

[Dawg61]

It sounds to me like our money list is out of date. MSU has new alumni qualify every year that might want to take the place of those that are in this older regime that don't want to move on yet. Just cause the previous group doesn't want to be involved doesn't mean the new group doesn't. Once the older crowd sees that MSU is doing just fine without them then they might decide they are being trivial and realize why they got involved in the first place a long time ago. This is just another excuse being given for Ray. MSU is the largest school in Mississippi and the alumni base grows every single year. There's new avenues not being explored yet.

[engie]

Do you think it would have helped if our AD would have called multiple people in the network and asked who they would like as the next MSU basketball coach? I know for a fact Byrne made several calls to the top 25% of boosters to ask who they wanted as the next baseball coach when we hired Cohen . I talked to a couple who told me they received a personal phone call from Byrne during the baseball search . I think Stricklin did this hire on his own so I bet a few people felt like their input or financial support wasn't needed. As mentioned in a earlier post, you've got to play the game with the cigar boys

All that's fine. I can understand them being pissed. What I don't understand is them punishing RAY for an issue they have with Stricklin. Want to hold money you normally donate to the university for basketball for a little while? Fine. But holding the money you normally spend in recruiting has NOTHING AT ALL to do with Strick and everything to do with Ray.

[I seen it dawg]

This opens up aGAIN what has happened to our basketball program. The sorry bastards care more about a guy that turned our program to a disappointment at the end more than they care about the program, hence the school, itself. Stains is fn gone so fn get over it. Coastdog and all of your ilk need to get on board with the school and the program and start pulling in the same direction. If you sorry ****ers can't do that then stay away forever. Then go to hell.

Eta: disappointment is the nicest way I could put it.

[Homedawg]

I truly wonder why cdl is even on a Msu board. Other than the obvious to bitch about rs being gone. Shouldn't you be on the gig'em board? It's pretty obvious your allegiance to Msu once was apparently great, and now you don't care about US, just your hurt feelings and the previous staff. The good news is they have a hell of a bonfire it college station every year. Boy are you going to be bitter when rs doesn't get that job when it opens. I feel sorry for bitter people like you. Truly, I do.

[Dawg61]

All that's fine. I can understand them being pissed. What I don't understand is them punishing RAY for an issue they have with Stricklin. Want to hold money you normally donate to the university for basketball for a little while? Fine. But holding the money you normally spend in recruiting has NOTHING AT ALL to do with Strick and everything to do with Ray.

Ray is just collateral damage. He is Stricklin's choice. They are showing Stricklin they don't appreciate the way he went about the hire. The best way for them to do this is by not going to the games and not giving money. I personally wish they would take the high road here but Stricklin fu*ked up. No two ways about it. They are showing him they don't appreciate it. If he needs them now then he needed them then and he should of played the game and tickled some balls. Why does Stricklin get off here for y'all? He's the Athletic Director. We heard what Byrne did when Cohen got hired. Why would Stricklin go on his own here? It doesn't make any sense and now he and us are seeing what happens when you do that which most of us new was a very bad idea at the time and still is today.

[Homedawg]

Ray is just collateral damage. He is Stricklin's choice. They are showing Stricklin they don't appreciate the way he went about the hire. The best way for them to do this is by not going to the games and not giving money. I personally wish they would take the high road here but Stricklin fu*ked up. No two ways about it. They are showing him they don't appreciate it. If he needs them now then he needed them then and he should of played the game and tickled some balls. Why does Stricklin get off here for y'all? He's the Athletic Director. We heard what Byrne did when Cohen got hired. Why would Stricklin go on his own here? It doesn't make any sense and now he and us are seeing what happens when you do that which most of us new was a very bad idea at the time and still is today.

That's right, we should have let him completely bury it in the ground! Oh he already did that. Of course those pissed that we didn't hire Kenny Payne will be pissed again when we don't hire him again if rr gets fired. Pretty safe he will still be available. Amazing how the great Payne is still in Lexington, he should be 100 wins into a great head coaching career by now.

[Dawg61]

That's right, we should have let him completely bury it in the ground! Oh he already did that. Of course those pissed that we didn't hire Kenny Payne will be pissed again when we don't hire him again if rr gets fired. Pretty safe he will still be available. Amazing how the great Payne is still in Lexington, he should be 100 wins into a great head coaching career by now.

SS doesn't have to hire Kenny Payne to keep everyone happy. Payne was like 10th on my wish list maybe even lower. SS just can't go rogue or solo on the mission. Talk to people and tell them KP is on the list and that you appreciate their involvement and will consider it and then give them a follow up after RR gets hired. Idk the exact best way I just know the way it was done wasn't.

[smootness]

Ray is just collateral damage. He is Stricklin's choice. They are showing Stricklin they don't appreciate the way he went about the hire. The best way for them to do this is by not going to the games and not giving money. I personally wish they would take the high road here but Stricklin fu*ked up. No two ways about it. They are showing him they don't appreciate it. If he needs them now then he needed them then and he should of played the game and tickled some balls. Why does Stricklin get off here for y'all? He's the Athletic Director. We heard what Byrne did when Cohen got hired. Why would Stricklin go on his own here? It doesn't make any sense and now he and us are seeing what happens when you do that which most of us new was a very bad idea at the time and still is today.

Then they are absolute and utter morons. I bet we'll be able to hire us a real nice coach next when we haven't won anything AND there is no support from the boosters. I'm sure they'll love to hear from Ray and others who know the inner workings of college basketball how they shunned our head coach. Bet people will be lining up for miles for this job***