Malik Newman update

[HancockCountyDog]

So, Stan's network was just that Stan's. And they aren't for the university? Gotcha. I know the answer.

To be fair - most college coaches have their network wherever they go. They don't stay with the college.

Pearl's network followed him to AU, Cal went with him to UK, it happens everywhere. In college basketball it is the coach that has the network - not the college. If Ray doesn't have one by now, that is on him, not Stans.

[Dawg61]

So Ray is lazy if he doesn't go all out to get Newman and Stone...but then he's also stupid if he goes hard after Newman. Sweet, definitely a good spot for Ray to be in with our fan base.

Even you can agree that spending most of his time on Newman at this point is counterproductive. Admit it Smoot. It's a wast of time at this point. He's not coming here. We need help in other areas and we haven't filled our 13 spots. Fill them.

[HancockCountyDog]

So Ray is lazy if he doesn't go all out to get Newman and Stone...but then he's also stupid if he goes hard after Newman. Sweet, definitely a good spot for Ray to be in with our fan base.

Thankfully he gets paid close to seven figures to make these tough decisions.

If he thinks he has a legit shot at Newman, then he should go all out. If he realizes that the family is just being polite, then he needs to move on. If he can't realize that the family is simply being polite and that he should be spending his time elsewhere - that is my problem.

I have no problem with him recruiting Newman if we are a legit school in his recruitment. The issue is knowing when you aren't. The bears cabbie freedom fighter isn't even recruiting Newman, because he knows they have zero shot. He is spending his time elsewhere, which is the right thing to do. The key is knowing when you are wasting your time, and when you aren't. Good coaches know when to say when.

There are no silver medals in basketball recruiting.

[Homedawg]

To be fair - most college coaches have their network wherever they go. They don't stay with the college.

Pearl's network followed him to AU, Cal went with him to UK, it happens everywhere. In college basketball it is the coach that has the network - not the college. If Ray doesn't have one by now, that is on him, not Stans.

Right. Huge tenn alums, that bleed orange and sing rocky top, that helped pearl buy players at UT now help him buy players at auburn. Yep.***

[smootness]

To be fair - most college coaches have their network wherever they go. They don't stay with the college.

Pearl's network followed him to AU, Cal went with him to UK, it happens everywhere. In college basketball it is the coach that has the network - not the college. If Ray doesn't have one by now, that is on him, not Stans.

This is insanity. Why in the world would a network follow a coach around?

[thf24]

To be fair - most college coaches have their network wherever they go. They don't stay with the college.

Pearl's network followed him to AU, Cal went with him to UK, it happens everywhere. In college basketball it is the coach that has the network - not the college. If Ray doesn't have one by now, that is on him, not Stans.

I'm not someone remotely in the know so this may just be my ignorance showing, but I have a real hard time buying that. Yeah, it makes sense that coaches have some friends and allies that go where they go, but I can't see anyone but boosters of the school in question being willing to put in the effort and resources that actually make things happen. What's really in it for anyone without a vested interest in the school? Friendship? Are they paid or otherwise compensated by the coach? Doubtful on both counts. Some isolated instances maybe, but that can't be how the game in general works.

[Homedawg]

This is insanity. Why in the world would a network follow a coach around?

Clearly, we are talking about different networks than Hancock is.

[Coach34]

Hancock has to be talking about apparel guys or AAU connections- cause ain't no Tenn money being spent on AU croots

[State82]

Hancock has to be talking about apparel guys or AAU connections

Sure he is. It's obviously not boosters of any particular school to which he is referring.

[fishwater99]

Well he barely went in the first round and at the time no 6 foot shooting guard had went straight to the nba. You really need to get over the Stans hate. Travis Outlaw was going when he got a 1st round guarantee from Portland. Bender was actually the most prototypical high school player because he was 6'11 and could shoot.

MONTA was gone, and most knew it.
He was projected as a 1st rounder and slipped some, but if you ever saw him play in High School you knew he was the real deal.
72 points in one game, he was on fire...
I wonder if any of those teams that passed on him wished they would have drafted him.

[fishwater99]

Serious question - who would you take on your high school team (Monta or Malik)? I saw both play in high school and thought Monta was better.

Malik is more of a well rounded player, but if you want a pure scorer it's Monta all day.

Chris Jackson was the best I ever saw in person. I think he scored 55 in the State Championship vs James "Hollywood" Robinson's 50.
What a game. CJ was throwing them up from the time line..

[coastdoglover]

Because people are basically stupid. Ray has recruited Newman harder than anybody in the country. And the group that didn't like him from the day he got the job- aka The Stands Sheep- perpetuate it.

People expect Ray to recruit like Stands but won't give him the help or the resources. It's ridiculous

Then why don't you pony up and get someone other than your Godchild Richard Williams to do it as well since he is in the group that has been told "we aint coming". You are one sick puppy. Blaming folks who supported the winningest coach in MSU history for failures of a guy who can't even get to .500 in the SEC. We all know you have never ever once admitted you were wrong about anything ,and now you got what you wanted and are spending hours trying to justify the move our AD made. The proof is in the pudding. If Ray can get us back to the level of an NIT bid,( which by the way you said was pitiful under the former coach) you will be jumping up and down with joy. What a damn hypocrisy.

[Dawg61]

Chris Jackson was an elite college player. He fell off some in the pros but he's a once in 25 years type shooter. Unreal player. He has tourettes and OCD and couldn't leave the gym every night till he shot something ridiculous like a 1,000 shots before he could leave.

[Coach34]

Then why don't you pony up and get someone other than your Godchild Richard Williams to do it as well since he is in the group that has been told "we aint coming".

there you have it folks- straight from the clowns mouth

[engie]

Then why don't you pony up and get someone other than your Godchild Richard Williams to do it as well since he is in the group that has been told "we aint coming". You are one sick puppy. Blaming folks who supported the winningest coach in MSU history for failures of a guy who can't even get to .500 in the SEC. We all know you have never ever once admitted you were wrong about anything ,and now you got what you wanted and are spending hours trying to justify the move our AD made. The proof is in the pudding. If Ray can get us back to the level of an NIT bid,( which by the way you said was pitiful under the former coach) you will be jumping up and down with joy. What a damn hypocrisy.

But it's not at all hypocritical to basically cancel your football tickets and pull MSU out of your will because a former basketball coach lost control at the end and was let go...

[Tbonewannabe]

MONTA was gone, and most knew it.
He was projected as a 1st rounder and slipped some, but if you ever saw him play in High School you knew he was the real deal.
72 points in one game, he was on fire...
I wonder if any of those teams that passed on him wished they would have drafted him.

Then he was gone. I just know the NBA still hasn't drafted a 6' shooting guard out of high school. I don't see any 1 and done players at his height going Lottery either. Who would you rather have JFF or Blake Bortles running the offense at MSU? JFF is one of the greatest statistically QBs to ever play college football and he almost fell out of the 1st round.

He also didn't "slip some", he almost wasn't drafted AT ALL. I don't know who told him he would be mid first round but it was probably his agent and no one connected with drafting anyone.

72 points in one game is impressive but I have seen players average almost 50. Penny Hardaway had a nephew that was doing that in Juco and he didn't make it.

I am glad it worked out for Monta but everyone saying he was a lock in the first round obviously doesn't know how the NBA draft works.

[tcdog70]

Because people are basically stupid. Ray has recruited Newman harder than anybody in the country. And the group that didn't like him from the day he got the job- aka The Stands Sheep- perpetuate it.

People expect Ray to recruit like Stands but won't give him the help or the resources. It's ridiculous

No chance of signing Newman-a waste of time He could have used on someone we could sign. Sorta like Croom going to blow the doors off of recruiting in Cally and Michigan-2 chances slim and none and slim left town last week. I promise you I did not like Him from day 1 and he hasn't done jack shit to change My mind. Keep on with the Ray love and we will see who the dumb asses are. Going into His third year He has zero guards that can defend. That alone will keep his shittyness intact.

[smootness]

Then he was gone. I just know the NBA still hasn't drafted a 6' shooting guard out of high school. I don't see any 1 and done players at his height going Lottery either. Who would you rather have JFF or Blake Bortles running the offense at MSU? JFF is one of the greatest statistically QBs to ever play college football and he almost fell out of the 1st round.

He also didn't "slip some", he almost wasn't drafted AT ALL. I don't know who told him he would be mid first round but it was probably his agent and no one connected with drafting anyone.

72 points in one game is impressive but I have seen players average almost 50. Penny Hardaway had a nephew that was doing that in Juco and he didn't make it.

I am glad it worked out for Monta but everyone saying he was a lock in the first round obviously doesn't know how the NBA draft works.

People aren't arguing he was a lock for the 1st round, they're saying he was a lock to go pro. The fact that he still went pro after slipping all the way to mid-2nd round just backs that up.

[Coach34]

People aren't arguing he was a lock for the 1st round, they're saying he was a lock to go pro. The fact that he still went pro after slipping all the way to mid-2nd round just backs that up.

Well put. Monta had no intention of playing college basketball unless he absolutely had to. Same with Outlaw

[Tbonewannabe]

Well put. Monta had no intention of playing college basketball unless he absolutely had to. Same with Outlaw

I wonder how long it will be before Europe starts getting guys instead of 1& done. Get paid instead of college for a year.