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    A lot of teams do this. Ohio state does it as well. Tough to defend when done right with the right guys. It's definitely nothing new.

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    Looks familiar. Also looks like he thinks the opposition will be playing with one LB and one safety. Looks to me like this can be defended with a 5 man rush and everyone dropping into coverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgcentral View Post
    Looks familiar. Also looks like he thinks the opposition will be playing with one LB and one safety. Looks to me like this can be defended with a 5 man rush and everyone dropping into coverage.
    they'll never know who the Mike is against Collins. Game over.

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    Let's keep in mind that this is just a base read. They will do a ton of different stuff. I just find it interesting b/c you can identify some of OM's major objectives by looking at these base reads.

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    All I'm thinking while watching that is that they need to make sure they can block the first level players before they think about what to do with the second level players. Seriously, reading guys down the field is the least of your worries if you're getting blown up at the line of scrimmage.

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    Gotta admit I'm digging the shorts. I don't know for sure that they are shorts but the polyester coach shorts with no belt bring back some sweet memories from the late 70s. (dickweed probably has slacks on but don't spoil it for me).
    One thing I took from it is it emphasizes the value of a true lockdown corner - worth their weight in gold. Stick him on the #1 guy and you completely eliminate that whole side of the field. Think about it, one 180 lb guy shuts half the field down for an offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastMan View Post
    Let's keep in mind that this is just a base read. They will do a ton of different stuff. I just find it interesting b/c you can identify some of OM's major objectives by looking at these base reads.
    no doubt. they want to do 3 main things. Pinch those and confuse the scheme. Also makes gap containment assignments pretty damn easy depending on where Treadwell and the TE line up. Also a pretty good breakdown of why a guy like Smoot or Charles Woodson or Champ Bailey are so valuable.
    Last edited by Political Hack; 06-04-2014 at 09:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thf24 View Post
    All I'm thinking while watching that is that they need to make sure they can block the first level players before they think about what to do with the second level players. Seriously, reading guys down the field is the least of your worries if you're getting blown up at the line of scrimmage.
    This all day! Our Defensive line would wreak havoc and not give them enough time to even think.

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    Oh yeah, I forgot one thing…That was an OUTSTANDING write up beastman. And thanks for posting it.

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    Couldn't watch. I hate that Freeze SOB.

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    Even if the safety goes to the middle third of the field, he can still go over and defend Treadwell along with the CB correct?

    It seems to me like he is assuming that the safety is going to attack the side with the screens automatically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    Even if the safety goes to the middle third of the field, he can still go over and defend Treadwell along with the CB correct?

    It seems to me like he is assuming that the safety is going to attack the side with the screens automatically.
    I don't question the Xs and Os portion of this. The guy is an SEC football coach for goodness sakes. I would assume that the Xs and Os are sound. The biggest problem I see is that he doesn't have the QB or offensive line to execute it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottycameron View Post
    Oh yeah, I forgot one thing…That was an OUTSTANDING write up beastman. And thanks for posting it.
    Thank you sir. Glad you enjoyed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    Even if the safety goes to the middle third of the field, he can still go over and defend Treadwell along with the CB correct?

    It seems to me like he is assuming that the safety is going to attack the side with the screens automatically.

    Putting a safety 1-deep and asking a CB to go man on Treadwell isn't much help besides over the top. But let's say they ran Engram on a streak right at the safety. That's a lot of deep pressure on 1 safety.

    What MSU and some others did was go 3-man front in a 2 deep look. That can cover all those combo routes pretty easily but you have to be able to stop the run. If OM can run you out of the 3-man front, you're back at square one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastMan View Post
    Putting a safety 1-deep and asking a CB to go man on Treadwell isn't much help besides over the top. But let's say they ran Engram on a streak right at the safety. That's a lot of deep pressure on 1 safety.

    What MSU and some others did was go 3-man front in a 2 deep look. That can cover all those combo routes pretty easily but you have to be able to stop the run. If OM can run you out of the 3-man front, you're back at square one.
    Nick James, Chris Jones, Kaleb Eulls/Ryan Brown, Benardrick McKinney. Your run game = stopped.

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    let BMac lineup at DE and when the ball is snapped he drops into coverage and the LB blitzes. Keep are CBs on the line jamming Treadwell like we did in the Egg Bowl.

    Bo reads the LB blitz but doesn't see BMac drop so he throws the stick route and it's intercepted (again).

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    Either Freeze is stupid or he just not telling the truth. Why would you give anyting away like that? "Ok everyone we are going to play, here is what we are going to throw at you"

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    considering last years offense was screen pass right, screen pass left, zone read. I don't think he's too worried about other teams "figuring out" his "scheme"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jumbo View Post

    let BMac lineup at DE and when the ball is snapped he drops into coverage and the LB blitzes. Keep are CBs on the line jamming Treadwell like we did in the Egg Bowl.

    Bo reads the LB blitz but doesn't see BMac drop so he throws the stick route and it's intercepted (again).
    Bingo. Zone blitz gives those quick reads fits. Freeze even acknowledged that first off. Said he has to feel like his line can handle zone read.

    I love the X's and O's of coaching. The cat and mouse game. You could blitz BMac w/corners jammed and Wallace reads inside stuck route. Bam, DE dropped into coverage on zone blitz. Play blown up. That was just one example but it will be back and forth all game.

    Your post was dead on. It's not like defenses cannot stop the 2nd level read philosophy but it's interesting to see that he's attempting to evolve to combat what he thinks SEC defenses caught up to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Lambert View Post
    Either Freeze is stupid or he just not telling the truth. Why would you give anyting away like that? "Ok everyone we are going to play, here is what we are going to throw at you"
    everybody knows that's what they do. he's just explaining it to regular fans. there's not an SEC coach out there that couldn't have diagramed that for you after watching a quarter of one of their games. You could even look at one two minute drive and immediately see what they want to do.

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