Any thoughts on the Michael Sam Kiss on ESPN...

[Quaoarsking]

I'm not going to read through 11 pages of this, so I apologize if this point has already been raised, but:

Ever notice how the same people who get all riled up over gays because it's offensive to their Christian* beliefs never get riled up at all when Johnny Manziel shows up to every event with a different supermodel? In fact, those are usually the people applauding and envying him the most. I can assure you that Johnny's not saving himself or rejecting these women's advances...


*--well, really just their denomination, since many denominations of Christianity, such as Episcopals, most Lutherans, and the United Church of Christ, perform gay marriages and explictly don't consider it to be a sin

[BeardoMSU]

Not sure where you got all that crap. Sounds like a deflection attempt to avoid having to say, "well, you're right". But that's ok.

It's a lot like your homosexual animal posts....you're having to stretch awfully far to try and back a point that you claim is so obvious

Its only a stretch for people who willfully ignore what happens in nature, I suppose.

[CadaverDawg]

Its only a stretch for people who willfully ignore what happens in nature, I suppose.

Umm...you having to search for one animal species that nobody has ever heard of, is what I call "stretching". Again, sorry if you disagree. I'm out...better things to do.

[CadaverDawg]

I'm not going to read through 11 pages of this, so I apologize if this point has already been raised, but:

Ever notice how the same people who get all riled up over gays because it's offensive to their Christian* beliefs never get riled up at all when Johnny Manziel shows up to every event with a different supermodel? In fact, those are usually the people applauding and envying him the most. I can assure you that Johnny's not saving himself or rejecting these women's advances...


*--well, really just their denomination, since many denominations of Christianity, such as Episcopals, most Lutherans, and the United Church of Christ, perform gay marriages and explictly don't consider it to be a sin

Not sure who you're referring to...but I am not a Manziel fan and never have been. He's good at college football though

[shoeless joe]

Omg? Do you know anything about animals and polygomy?

Arguing science with a thumper is like talking compound physics with a redneck from SoSo

Umm...I was responding to a post about homosexuality in animals. Not how many sex partners an animal has.

And I know quite a bit about animal behavior. Would you like a resume?

[BeardoMSU]

Unless you suddenly grew a mangina next to your penis...your "changes" and "evolution" when it comes to homosexuality over time still make no sense. Sorry. We can agree to disagree, but nature and several other things are strongly on my side in this debate, and no "get with the modern times" mess is going to change that.

Are you talking about changes in morphology via natural selection? And what "other things" are backing your claims? All I've gotten so far is that being gay is a "sin", much in the same way as "cheating on your wife".

[BeardoMSU]

Umm...you having to search for one animal species that nobody has ever heard of, is what I call "stretching". Again, sorry if you disagree. I'm out...better things to do.

Uh...I didn't have to search for anything, nor would you if you'd taken an intro anthropology class. I know a lot of y'all don't subscribe to evolution, but still, I didn't think that the Bonobo was some obscure piece of trivial science that only elitist libs knew about. That's what I get, I guess....

[msstate7]

So, Uhhh... Y'all think we can take 2 outta 3 at bama this week?

[BeardoMSU]

So, Uhhh... Y'all think we can take 2 outta 3 at bama this week?

Lol....I hope so.

[dawgs]

And just because I don't share your same viewpoint, doesn't make me wrong for mine. "Equality" and "judging" someone works both ways.....Something the liberal and homosexual crowd seem to forget while bashing and judging those that don't agree with them.

So someone that uses the n-word and believes black people should be slaves isn't wrong, he just has different beliefs than you?

[BeardoMSU]

So someone that uses the n-word and believes black people should be slaves isn't wrong, he just has different beliefs than you?

#PostModernism

[whosyourdawgy]

I didnt get past where you said adam and eve, not adam and steve. That automatically makes you an idiot

Well if you got to that part then you saw all I needed you to see and you even helped to prove it for me. Thanks. You may want to read the rest because I actually talked about Michael Sam in my post, which is what this started out to be a thread about.

[ckDOG]

Some of y'all take the television too seriously. You can flip the channel. The only reason the media hypes anything is because they know people get fired up about this stuff. If folks wouldn't get so damn worked up when somebody gets attention for living differently than they do, they wouldn't try to capitalize on it every time they have the chance. This happens on all sides of the political/social spectrum.

Here's a good rule of thumb. The next time you see somebody on tv saying or doing something that physically upsets you, take a deep breath, go outside and look at some clouds or some trees, hug your wife, play with your kids, or anything productive and enjoyable. ESPN needs you more than you need it. It's spare time entertainment. Treat it as such.

[Quaoarsking]

Regarding Beardo's claim of discrimination against Christians is "mythical".



Okay, I got in from work so here are some sources. I don't know what you consider "credible" but you can look it up. Google isn't hard. BTW, because you see Bible verses around you say "no dice" to censorship of the Bible. Wow, the logical flaws in that statement are stunning.

So know I will await your sources of censorship "cases are there where Muslims, Buddhists" in US schools that you claim.

Local CBS Miami coverage of teacher banning a Bible being read in a student?s free time.
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/05/05...rotest-change/
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School Superintendent orders wrestling team not to wear T-shirts (not a part of the uniform and paid for by parents) because the T-shirt read on the back ?I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.?
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes...ble-verse.html
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Here is a column about the Air Force Academy with commentary that this is not the first such action by the Air Force Academy.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/chuck-n...erty-yet-again
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Official placed on unpaid administrative leave due to comments away from his job and unrelated to his duties.
http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-p...502-story.html
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Des Moines Register on May 7 reported that Bob Eschiliman was fired as editor of the Newton Daily News for referring to homosexual activists as ?Gaystapo.?

Ok, I'll bite.

I'm not previously familiar with any of these cases, but just from looking at the article you linked:
1. The school's policy was that no religious books were allowed to be read during "free reading time," not just the Bible. Your article specifically says that, so it's not discrimination against Christians. It sounds like a pretty dumb policy, but I don't know what incidents occurred at the school to make them enact the policy. I doubt they just made it up out of the blue one day.
2. If that story is accurate and is telling the whole story (considering the source, I'm skeptical), I would say that's probably overreach. However, there's no evidence that it's specifically targeted at Christians. I would assume a verse from the Qu'ran would be similarly disallowed, probably with the support of the people who are mad over this. Like #1, there may very well be a good reason that justifies this policy, but even if there's not, it's not like Christianity is being singled out...
3. An opinion piece from Chuck Norris? Not exactly a very good source on this type of thing. I find it very telling that the article doesn't mention what the disallowed Biblical reference was. I'm assuming this means it was a very controversial verse, such as an anti-gay one. Remember, the Air Force Academy is generally considered to be one of the 2 or 3 most conservative major colleges in the whole country, so if it's something that was too right wing there, it's not going to fly anywhere. Also, I see no evidence that this policy, if it is indeed real, was for Christians/the Bible only.
4. Well no shit. If I went and publicly made comments like this I'd get fired from my job. So would you. So would almost everyone, including Muslims, Jews, etc.

So to summarize, you have a couple examples that might be government overreach if your stories are completely accurate and unbiased, and there aren't unreported justifications behind them, but even then they aren't specifically targeted at Christians, but at religion as a whole. And you certainly haven't demonstrated how a couple of isolated incidents from all over the country somehow are a grand overarching national trend -- I could like stories about anti-black discrimation picked out from around the country, but that doesn't mean America = 1980s South Africa.

[whosyourdawgy]

Some of y'all take the television too seriously. You can flip the channel. The only reason the media hypes anything is because they know people get fired up about this stuff. If folks wouldn't get so damn worked up when somebody gets attention for living differently than they do, they wouldn't try to capitalize on it every time they have the chance. This happens on all sides of the political/social spectrum.

Here's a good rule of thumb. The next time you see somebody on tv saying or doing something that physically upsets you, take a deep breath, go outside and look at some clouds or some trees, hug your wife, play with your kids, or anything productive and enjoyable. ESPN needs you more than you need it. It's spare time entertainment. Treat it as such.

I had watched a ton of the draft and enjoyed it probably more than I should have. Actually hoping to hear LDP's name called. And I watched up to the cake cutting and I switched it afterwards because I knew that the rest of the draft was toast. And I've gone to be a little earlier and listened to a lot less talk radio during the day and surprisingly haven't missed it.

[BeardoMSU]

Ok, I'll bite.

I'm not previously familiar with any of these cases, but just from looking at the article you linked:
1. The school's policy was that no religious books were allowed to be read during "free reading time," not just the Bible. Your article specifically says that, so it's not discrimination against Christians. It sounds like a pretty dumb policy, but I don't know what incidents occurred at the school to make them enact the policy. I doubt they just made it up out of the blue one day.
2. If that story is accurate and is telling the whole story (considering the source, I'm skeptical), I would say that's probably overreach. However, there's no evidence that it's specifically targeted at Christians. I would assume a verse from the Qu'ran would be similarly disallowed, probably with the support of the people who are mad over this. Like #1, there may very well be a good reason that justifies this policy, but even if there's not, it's not like Christianity is being singled out...
3. An opinion piece from Chuck Norris? Not exactly a very good source on this type of thing. I find it very telling that the article doesn't mention what the disallowed Biblical reference was. I'm assuming this means it was a very controversial verse, such as an anti-gay one. Remember, the Air Force Academy is generally considered to be one of the 2 or 3 most conservative major colleges in the whole country, so if it's something that was too right wing there, it's not going to fly anywhere. Also, I see no evidence that this policy, if it is indeed real, was for Christians/the Bible only.
4. Well no shit. If I went and publicly made comments like this I'd get fired from my job. So would you. So would almost everyone, including Muslims, Jews, etc.

So to summarize, you have a couple examples that might be government overreach if your stories are completely accurate and unbiased, and there aren't unreported justifications behind them, but even then they aren't specifically targeted at Christians, but at religion as a whole. And you certainly haven't demonstrated how a couple of isolated incidents from all over the country somehow are a grand overarching national trend -- I could like stories about anti-black discrimation picked out from around the country, but that doesn't mean America = 1980s South Africa.

Ah, beat me to it. Well said.

Also, considering there are probably more Christian churches in this country than schools and hospitals combined, I feel comfortable in my characterization of the "war on Christianity" as mythical.

[drunkernhelldawg]

A lot of great posts in this thread. A lot of good thinking interspersed throughout. Appreciate whoever decided to keep the thread open and let the madness and consternation and righteousness blossom.

[Vandownbytheriver]

So, I'm assuming all of you who changed the channel and refuse to watch again will be boycotting games this fall right? After all, we have a shit ton of guys who have kids out of wedlock on the team. No sin is greater than the other and all that jazz.

[Churchill]

A lot of great posts in this thread. A lot of good thinking interspersed throughout. Appreciate whoever decided to keep the thread open and let the madness and consternation and righteousness blossom.

I agree. Nice job Edawgs...some other MSU boards could learn from the way you handled this. Props

[MabenMaroon]

What is the predicted timetable for acceptance of other perversions like beastiality, or maybe pedophilia or ...... seems that we as society may be headed that way.