Any thoughts on the Michael Sam Kiss on ESPN...

[blacklistedbully]

I disagree. Not all people take literal interpretations of the Bible, and that's where the divide is. Not all Christians think the Homosexuality is a sin, the same way not all Christians think the world is ca. 6,000 years old. I'd also add that many things that were written as "sin" can most often be attributed to the cultural norms of the day. But guess what: culture changes, as do norms, customs, ideas of morality, etc. It's inevitable.

Perhaps I should have qualified it by saying Christians denominations who believe fully in the Bible, and do not consider it subject to much, if any interpretation do not accept homosexuality as anything less than a sin. I am aware that there are plenty of Christians that believe abortion is OK, for example. And there are Christians who believe a wife should always submit to her husband, etc. In this day & age, it can be a real challenge to reconcile the Bible with modern society's views. So much of it comes down to faith.

Still, I'd be surprised if there are actual denominations that are truly Christian who consider homosexuality not a sin. This is not to say there aren't plenty who have accepted that Jesus Christ is our Saviour, yet believe it's also OK to be gay. I'm even aware there are some specific churches who have split away from their denomination over the "gay issue. But are they considered a denomination?

[Goat Holder]

Associated goat? Wtf are you talking about? The majority of gays I know are Christian and go to church.

Why would someone who intentionally and openly sins want to go to church? Doesn't that run counter to what they believe?

[BeardoMSU]

Of course they can, but why should they be denied something that their heterosexual counterparts aren't?

Oh, if twitter only existed in the 1940's and 50's....

#SeparateButEqual

[Esmerelda Villalobos]

Why would someone who intentionally and openly sins want to go to church? Doesn't that run counter to what they believe?

They dont believe being what god made them is a sin. Dont be so close minded man.

Im sure you intentionally and openly sin almost every day. Why do you go?

[BeardoMSU]

Perhaps I should have qualified it by saying Christians denominations who believe fully in the Bible, and do not consider it subject to much, if any interpretation do not accept homosexuality as anything less than a sin. I am aware that there are plenty of Christians that believe abortion is OK, for example. And there are Christians who believe a wife should always submit to her husband, etc. In this day & age, it can be a real challenge to reconcile the Bible with modern society's views. So much of it comes down to faith.

Still, I'd be surprised if there are actual denominations that are truly Christian who consider homosexuality not a sin. This is not to say there aren't plenty who have accepted that Jesus Christ is our Saviour, yet believe it's also OK to be gay. I'm even aware there are some specific churches who have split away from their denomination over the "gay issue. But are they considered a denomination?

From experience, I'd say the Episcopal Church, at least the ones I've been to, does not view homosexuality as a sin; they seem to focus more on being good people and helping others in need.

[LiterallyPolice]

They dont believe being what god made them is a sin. Dont be so close minded man.

Im sure you intentionally and openly sin almost every day. Why do you go?

You wanna know why I go to church? DIVISION OF ASSETS. ***

[Goat Holder]

They dont believe being what god made them is a sin. Dont be so close minded man.

Im sure you intentionally and openly sin almost every day. Why do you go?

We are all sinners. That's the point. And gays are welcome at church. I'm just assuming that if you have a guy who wants to do a bunch of sinful stuff, that he probably doesn't want to go to church.

I'm not close-minded. A sin is what it is. There's no negotiating on whether or not being gay is a sin in the eyes of the Christian church.

[fishwater99]

Im atheist and married goat. Why?

Did you get married in a Church by a Priest or Reverend?

[Esmerelda Villalobos]

Yes

[Goat Holder]

delete

[Goat Holder]

You wanna know why I go to church? DIVISION OF ASSETS. ***

Fairly certain you DON'T go to church.

Next sarcastic attempt to deflect, please.

[Esmerelda Villalobos]

Bc they dont think it is a sin goat.

There is negotiation on that as well. Hell, the pope just said atheist can go to heaven. Religion, like everything, evolves because it isnt fact. It will evolve until the end of time.

[dawgs]

So would you say it was in your DNA to be straight? If it just naturally happened then it HAS to be genetic. So if twins were born that were identical, i.e. genetically the exact same, both would have to be gay.

Problem is jarron Collins likes women while his identical twin Jason prefers men. Someone made a choice here...

Twins, even identical twins, don't have the exact same DNA.

[Ralph]

Yes

Then that's a perfect example of a Christian loving you even though he disagrees with you.

[dawgs]

Marriage is a religious institution, so if it involves a church, there is no 'right'. Your battle is with whether or not the STATE recognizes marriage, for division of assets, ie, can two gays go to the courthouse and get a marriage license. Christians in a church have no power over that, but they do have power over who gets married in their church, and that's the way it is. Either way, I know if I had my way divorce would be much tougher to obtain. That's the price of living in a free society.

Marriage for the purposes of this discussion and the government is not limited to religious marriages. Many people don't have religious ceremonies but their marriages are recognized by the state as the equivalent of someone who did get married in a religious ceremony.

[dawgs]

What are they being denied? The right to get married in a church? Tough sh*t, go get married at the beach.

Why would you want to be associated with religion if you didn't agree with it?

BECAUSE IN MANY STATES IN THIS COUNTRY, THEY STILL CANT GET MARRIED ON THE BEACH.

Jesus Christ, are you just trying to be obtuse here?

[Martianlander]

Bc they dont think it is a sin goat.

There is negotiation on that as well. Hell, the pope just said atheist can go to heaven. Religion, like everything, evolves because it isnt fact. It will evolve until the end of time.

I respect the fact that you and everyone else has a right to their opinion and I'm not judging you because I am certainly a sinner, but I do know that when we all stand before God, and we will, there will be no negotiation, and no discussion about how religion has evolved, only a fair and merciful judgment.

[Esmerelda Villalobos]

Then that's a perfect example of a Christian loving you even though he disagrees with you.

Sure. Im not sure how they would know I was one or not.

Christians are awful. The reason is they are nothing like their Christ. In fact, they are opposite. This thread proves that as the "libs" are acting more forgiving and loving than the thumpers.

[dawgs]

So then what gives you the right to close Pandora's box? A couple of months ago a UK woman went to some another western European country and had a wedding with her dog. Last week some guy petitioned to marry his laptop computer. If you are going to open Pandora's box, how will you determine how you will open and close it?

You've got to be ****ing kidding me with this shit. Are you not familiar with the concept of a consenting adult?

[LiterallyPolice]

Fairly certain you DON'T go to church.

Next sarcastic attempt to deflect, please.

Haha... Deflect what? Our argument ended because you didn't know that the state afforded benefits to married couples. Remember? You thought that gays were fighting for their right to get married in a church.