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The fact that we have diehard basketball fans who think making the round of 68 and then losing the first game, usually because they can?t defend the 3 or throw it in the ocean on offense, baffles me. Just making the tourney out of 330 D1 programs, 250 of which have no business playing at that level is also baffling.
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I really didn't think this needed to be explained on a message board or supposed fanatics, but here goes...
Of the 68 qualifiers, 31 are automatic for conf tournament winners, so...
In the sec, you have 16 teams competing for 38 spots.
In the acc, you have 16 teams competing for 38 spots.
In the big 12, you have 16 teams competing for 38 spots.
In the big 10, you have 18 teams competing for 38 spots.
In the big east, you have 11 teams competing for 38 spots.
So in just the major conferences, take out the one qualifier from each, and you have 72 teams competing for 33 spots.
These 33 spots are of course being competed for my other schools like Gonzaga/st Mary's (one will be auto), Utah st/sdsu/NM (one will be auto), VCU/dayton/st Louis (one will be auto). Making the tourney isn't the great achievement of all time, but it is light years harder than making a bowl in football.
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
I really didn't think this needed to be explained on a message board or supposed fanatics, but here goes...
Of the 68 qualifiers, 31 are automatic for conf tournament winners, so...
In the sec, you have 16 teams competing for 38 spots.
In the acc, you have 16 teams competing for 38 spots.
In the big 12, you have 16 teams competing for 38 spots.
In the big 10, you have 18 teams competing for 38 spots.
In the big east, you have 11 teams competing for 38 spots.
So in just the major conferences, take out the one qualifier from each, and you have 72 teams competing for 33 spots.
These 33 spots are of course being competed for my other schools like Gonzaga/st Mary's (one will be auto), Utah st/sdsu/NM (one will be auto), VCU/dayton/st Louis (one will be auto). Making the tourney isn't the great achievement of all time, but it is light years harder than making a bowl in football.
But winning a Bowl Game, no matter the level, should mean a lot more to fans of a school like MSU, than losing a play in or 1st Round Basketball Game.
But, I do see your points.
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Originally Posted by
CaptainObvious
But winning a Bowl Game, no matter the level, should mean a lot more to fans of a school like MSU, than losing a play in or 1st Round Basketball Game.
But, I do see your points.
Maybe 5 years ago. When is the last time a college basketball player opted out of a NCAAT game?
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Back to the portal... it closes on Tuesday, so the action should be picking up from today on.
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Originally Posted by
CaptainObvious
But winning a Bowl Game, no matter the level, should mean a lot more to fans of a school like MSU, than losing a play in or 1st Round Basketball Game.
But, I do see your points.
Getting to the NCAA tournament is way more exciting than making a pointless bowl game outside the 12 team playoff. It gives you an opportunity to play for a national championship. I wish they would just eliminate the bowl games and expand the playoff to 16. At the same time I get your point about making it and then losing which is what Jans has done. Personally, I would rather miss the tournament a couple years and then every few years have a team that gets there and makes noise like Richard Williams did.
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We made the bowl last year with 5 pitiful wins, 1 SEC win over an inept Arkansas team on a last-second TD pass, and we received the bid after others turned it down. We also looked unprepared in the bowl game. No excitement for me in another losing season, which should have been a winning season if not for bone-headed decisions by our latest on-the-job training HC in games against TN, FL & TX. Excitement for me, no, just growing apathy. JMO.
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Possibly hit a homerun with RJ Johnson. Also checks all the boxes.
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
Back to the portal... it closes on Tuesday, so the action should be picking up from today on.
Yea we still have alot of holes to fill on both basketball teams. I hope we arent scrambling late to get players because thats never good.
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Originally Posted by
NCMSTFAN
Yea we still have alot of holes to fill on both basketball teams. I hope we arent scrambling late to get players because thats never good.
Well, portal closes Tuesday, so I'd say we are scrambling late....
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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Originally Posted by
PGHBulldogBG
Getting to the NCAA tournament is way more exciting than making a pointless bowl game outside the 12 team playoff. It gives you an opportunity to play for a national championship. I wish they would just eliminate the bowl games and expand the playoff to 16. At the same time I get your point about making it and then losing which is what Jans has done. Personally, I would rather miss the tournament a couple years and then every few years have a team that gets there and makes noise like Richard Williams did.
Making my point that diehard basketball fans would rather the team make Dayton, Ohio. than go to a Bowl game in Nashville or Orlando or Tampa/St.Pete. However, maybe 300 State fans would make that trip to Dayton Ohio or even less for a 1st round game in Salt Lake, while 15000 or more would go to Nashville for the Bowl and at least 10000 would make the bowl trip to Orlando or Tampa. That so-called meaningless bowl game is probably the best MSU will ever go to from now on unless they make the playoffs 48 teams and State qualifies at 7-5.
Meanwhile, because of the way it is set up for the Basketball tourney, on multiple occasions, teams with 13-19 records who got hot and won their Patriot League tourney make the tourney over Teams that finished 21-12 overall in the SEC or Big 12. That is asinine!
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Originally Posted by
CaptainObvious
Making my point that diehard basketball fans would rather the team make Dayton, Ohio. than go to a Bowl game in Nashville or Orlando or Tampa/St.Pete. However, maybe 300 State fans would make that trip to Dayton Ohio or even less for a 1st round game in Salt Lake, while 15000 or more would go to Nashville for the Bowl and at least 10000 would make the bowl trip to Orlando or Tampa. That so-called meaningless bowl game is probably the best MSU will ever go to from now on unless they make the playoffs 48 teams and State qualifies at 7-5.
Meanwhile, because of the way it is set up for the Basketball tourney, on multiple occasions, teams with 13-19 records who got hot and won their Patriot League tourney make the tourney over Teams that finished 21-12 overall in the SEC or Big 12. That is asinine!
I disagree. The St Peter’s, Loyola Chicago, George Masons etc is what makes March madness exciting. If the little guys never won those games I would agree, but there are always upsets. High Point this year beat Wisconsin a team that would beat most SEC teams then took the SEC tournament champs to the wire deserved to be in over a team losing 13 regular season games. What is the point of going to a bowl game that is completely meaningless? Thats like being excited about the NIT. I don’t get that line of thinking at all
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
Well, portal closes Tuesday, so I'd say we are scrambling late....
Lol, we have 4 days left... definitely need to get some players signed by the weekend. Anyone know off the top of their head how many positions we have left to fill?
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