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Originally Posted by
Goldendawg
The year we fired Rick Ray he was 13-19 and 6-12 in the SEC. The "Dentist" just finished the regular season 13-18, 5-13. I don't think Ray got beat by 20 plus points in as many games as we have this year, either. Just saying.
BTW, I knew when SJ JR trotted out as a starter in the first game that this team was in big trouble for the season. Also, it's hard to guard the three (which Jans teams have never done well in his MSU tenure), and give up fewer points than in the 90's or even the 100's recently, when you often have three guards less than 6'2" on the floor together at many times.
Rick ray: 37-60 (.381), 13-41 in sec (.241), 0 postseason (NIT or NCAAT)
Chris Jans: 78-56 (.567), 29-43 (.403), 3 NCAAT
Little contact for the dumb comparison
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My opinion the loss of Cam Matthews has loomed huge. "Glue guy"
Definitely Matthews
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Next year's team has to have a legit 5 and a 2 that is 6'3 or bigger that can score and defend.
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
Next year's team has to have a legit 5 and a 2 that is 6'3 or bigger that can score and defend.
He has to do something. After we get whipped tomorrow, Jans' mulligan is complete... he has to be be at tourney/bubble level next season.
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
He has to do something. After we get whipped tomorrow, Jans' mulligan is complete... he has to be be at tourney/bubble level next season.
This is Jans first losing season EVER. We obviously need to figure out some answers through the portal but I know the staff likes the Freshman coming in and thinks they can all contribute immediately. I think Jans will fix this in short order. Now the caveat will be if we lose Josh. That changes everything.
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Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
This is Jans first losing season EVER. We obviously need to figure out some answers through the portal but I know the staff likes the Freshman coming in and thinks they can all contribute immediately. I think Jans will fix this in short order. Now the caveat will be if we lose Josh. That changes everything.
If we lose Josh, I just hope his money is still there. At 3+ million, I feel confident we can get a great player. I kinda doubt anyone matches our offer for a volume scorer at his height. I've been surprised before though
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
If we lose Josh, I just hope his money is still there. At 3+ million, I feel confident we can get a great player. I kinda doubt anyone matches our offer for a volume scorer at his height. I've been surprised before though
It's a big ass IF obviously, but you can't unbiasedly look at some of the performances he's had in losses(42 on Saturday, 31 against Tennessee) and the fact that it took every bit of 46 against Auburn two weeks ago and not think he's at least looking around.
I think he ultimately stays, the "You don't leave State" thing directed at Murphy kind of pigeonholes him into staying, but I definitely think he will once again test the NBA waters just to see what's out there.
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Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
It's a big ass IF obviously, but you can't unbiasedly look at some of the performances he's had in losses(42 on Saturday, 31 against Tennessee) and the fact that it took every bit of 46 against Auburn two weeks ago and not think he's at least looking around.
I think he ultimately stays, the "You don't leave State" thing directed at Murphy kind of pigeonholes him into staying, but I definitely think he will once again test the NBA waters just to see what's out there.
Every player should look around these days esp if the nba isn't in their future. They should max out there earnings while they can. I hate this atmosphere, but it's here, so they should take advantage
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Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
It's a big ass IF obviously, but you can't unbiasedly look at some of the performances he's had in losses(42 on Saturday, 31 against Tennessee) and the fact that it took every bit of 46 against Auburn two weeks ago and not think he's at least looking around.
I think he ultimately stays, the "You don't leave State" thing directed at Murphy kind of pigeonholes him into staying, but I definitely think he will once again test the NBA waters just to see what's out there.
He stays and he'll get his jersey hung one day. I think he stays. The taunt at Murphy rings loud too. He already earned millions another million aint' going to change anything. Coming back with forever pride to see your jersey in rafters is special.
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Originally Posted by
R2Dawg
He stays and he'll get his jersey hung one day. I think he stays. The taunt at Murphy rings loud too. He already earned millions another million aint' going to change anything. Coming back with forever pride to see your jersey in rafters is special.
If he scores as many points next season as this season, he will be 3rd All-Time in the SEC behind Pistol Pete and Alan Houston. That's some rare air.
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
If he scores as many points next season as this season, he will be 3rd All-Time in the SEC behind Pistol Pete and Alan Houston. That's some rare air.
Wow, that's pretty amazing. Just looked it up, and Pete has over 800 pts more than Houston while playing 3 years instead of 4.
I thought Chris Jackson would be higher, but guess I didn't realize he only played 2 seasons.
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
Rick ray: 37-60 (.381), 13-41 in sec (.241), 0 postseason (NIT or NCAAT)
Chris Jans: 78-56 (.567), 29-43 (.403), 3 NCAAT
Little contact for the dumb comparison
My "dumb" comparison was just about Ray's record his last year and the year Jans and his "team" have in progress this year, not about comparing the two coaches' entire body of work at MSU.
I hope the team makes a run in the SEC tourney starting Wednesday, though doubtful. This year's results have been very bad, and there are many issues that Jans can and must correct for next year's portal group to become a balanced, winning, competitive team, especially in SEC play. I feel he can and must get us competitive again and winning.
Note: I attended almost every home game from row one, and the attendance and losses by often double digits on our home floor were terrible.
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NIL giveth and NIL taketh away. It's tougher to build cohesiveness at times with constant roster turnover. Kentucky finished 9th in the SEC this season with twice the NIL we had. Candy currently has worst record in SEC Baseball heading into SEC play.
Got to do a better job of roster building the next few months
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
Wow, that's pretty amazing. Just looked it up, and Pete has over 800 pts more than Houston while playing 3 years instead of 4.
I thought Chris Jackson would be higher, but guess I didn't realize he only played 2 seasons.
Chris Jackson would have been up there had he stayed. He and Hubbard are similar type players.
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Jans is in a tough spot and I would hate to be wagering on whether he fields a team that finishes better that 14th or so in SEC next year. just too much ground to make up in a year.
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Originally Posted by
Pancho
Jans is in a tough spot and I would hate to be wagering on whether he fields a team that finishes better that 14th or so in SEC next year. just too much ground to make up in a year.
In today's climate, these things turn on one transfer season. Plenty of examples. This isn't the 80s or 90s.
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I hope he does but i have serious doubts now.
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
NIL giveth and NIL taketh away. It's tougher to build cohesiveness at times with constant roster turnover. Kentucky finished 9th in the SEC this season with twice the NIL we had. Candy currently has worst record in SEC Baseball heading into SEC play.
Got to do a better job of roster building the next few months
It comes down to evaluations.
Mark Byington at Vandy nailed his evals 2 years in a row. Bucky McMillan nailed his evals. Todd Golden nailed his evals once again, although it took them longer to gel. Mike White hit on his evals. Dennis Gates was like 50/50 on his evals.
Mark Pope did not, Chris Jans did not, Chris Beard did not, Porter Moser did not. Matt McMahon has no NIL AND didn't nail his evals. LaMont Paris is in the same boat as McMahon.
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Originally Posted by
Pancho
Jans is in a tough spot and I would hate to be wagering on whether he fields a team that finishes better that 14th or so in SEC next year. just too much ground to make up in a year.
Like every team in the sec will be rebuilt this offseason
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You seem confident. You think Jans finishes in the top 8 or 9 in the league next year? That is simply what I doubt. Simply a discussion of opinions.
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