MSU is STILL Not Serious About Football

[Todd4State]

But he's not doing the same job.

It's getting childish on your part. Let it go.

And you're right, that was a stupid analogy.

Having class is childish?

[Todd4State]

There are countless examples of failed head coaches in all levels of football that return to being successful coods.

How many at the school they were fired from after they lied to a bunch of players at said school?

[KOdawg1]

Having class is childish?

I guess we're calling being a bitter bitch "having class" now.

[MBDawg601]

Disagree. An average head coach doesn't get blown out by Toledo. An average head coach at least splits the Florida and Texas games this past year. A good head coach beats them both and also Tennessee.

If we'd hired someone like Jimbo Fisher, or just any proven G5 head coach, he might never take us to the playoffs, but he wouldn't be blowing wins like Lebby has.

I reject the notion that we'd so hopelessly behind in football, that it was actually good for Lebby that he got us in position to have his coaching blow games, because most coaches would have just gotten blown out every game.

You think we have the talent of both Florida and Texas? His coaching decisions likely costs us the games, but a lot of the reason we were in those games were also his play calling/scheme.

Jimbo Fisher?? He had top talent in the country for most of his career at A&M, with unlimited resources and could not get it done. Come on man..

I do not normally like arguing "what ifs" or "should have beens", but based on our roster and talent deficiency we finished right where we were projected and nearly squeaked out a few, we had no business being in. To act like this past season was a complete failure and we underachieved, is kind of ridiculous. We did not underachieve this past season, by any stretch of the imagination.

[MBDawg601]

How many at the school they were fired from after they lied to a bunch of players at said school?

And how many with the last name Arnett? How specific do you want to be?

Let the season play out, the dude can coach defense and is probably less dramatic about the situation than you are.

[Quaoarsking]

I do not normally like arguing "what ifs" or "should have beens", but based on our roster and talent deficiency we finished right where we were projected and nearly squeaked out a few, we had no business being in. To act like this past season was a complete failure and we underachieved, is kind of ridiculous. We did not underachieve this past season, by any stretch of the imagination.

If this past season wasn't a complete failure, why is fan morale at an all-time low, with a near-unanimous expectation (even among his few remaining supporters) that he'll be fired by November?

It's because everyone knows that our schedule was way softer than we thought it would be, and we should have gone 7-5 or 8-4, and that we would have with a decent coach.

[Tater]

If this past season wasn't a complete failure, why is fan morale at an all-time low, with a near-unanimous expectation (even among his few remaining supporters) that he'll be fired by November?

It's because everyone knows that our schedule was way softer than we thought it would be, and we should have gone 7-5 or 8-4, and that we would have with a decent coach.

cause it's march and none of the positive folks are really focused on football. they're enjoying the positivity from baseball. the negative folks are focused on basketball / football and not getting engagement from the positive fanbase. give it till august and someone like me will talk us into a 9+ win season.

[Hot Rock]

There has to be more to this story. This makes no sense.

2022 - Played in 4 games as a Freshman; Redshirt
2023 - Played in 10 games as a Redshirt Freshman
2024 - Played in 11 games as a Redshirt Sophomore
2025 - Played in 12 games as a Redshirt Junior
2026 - Set to be at MSU for Redshirt Senior year and ruled ineligible????

There is more to it. He played DII which doesn't have a 4 game redshirt rule and those rules applied. No one knew this, even UAB had him listed as a RSJR last year.

[Tater]

There is more to it. He played DII which doesn't have a 4 game redshirt rule and those rules applied. No one knew this, even UAB had him listed as a RSJR last year.

Seems like the easiest thing to beat. But hey we recruited a pushover so I don't think we want to fight for him to play for us if he won't fight for himself.

[Coach34]

None of this will be settled until Thanksgiving. We were a helluva lot better in 2025 than most of us thought we would be. I didnt think we would win 4 games.

If the OL can be better than shitty and our QB can develop some more- we will have a chance to win 5-6 again. We def upgraded talent on D

[Quaoarsking]

We were a helluva lot better in 2025 than most of us thought we would be. I didnt think we would win 4 games.
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You would have if you had known that Arizona State, Northern Illinois, Tennessee, Florida, Texas, Arkansas, and Missouri were all overrated (some of them way overrated) preseason.

[Todd4State]

I guess we're calling being a bitter bitch "having class" now.

Speaking of being a bitch- I just saw that Arnett lost one of the top DT in the state from Choctaw County to Ole Miss.

Let me guess- it's Dave Emerick's fault.**

[smootness]

Because it's the same person.

It's like saying Charles Manson the cult leader was bad but as a car salesman he was good. And yeah that's an extreme example but I couldn't think of a great analogy.

You really cannot process how someone could be bad as the HC of an entire program but very good when focused only on coaching defense?

And Charles Manson was phenomenal as a cult leader. One of the best ever.

[Coach34]

You would have if you had known that Arizona State, Northern Illinois, Tennessee, Florida, Texas, Arkansas, and Missouri were all overrated (some of them way overrated) preseason.

We were still way better than I expected us to be. Just the fact we competed with Tenn and Texas shows that

[PGHBulldogBG]

We were still way better than I expected us to be. Just the fact we competed with Tenn and Texas shows that

I agree I didn’t think those games would be close. I am still 50/50 on Lebby. He was getting 3 years no matter what but we will see what he can do. If we can get 6 wins with this schedule and one of them being ole Miss or 7-5 without beating them he will stay

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Don't worry about it Todd. We still have baseball.

By the way Penn State had 16,000+ for wrestling that 500 people watched on TV, but they still cant beat Ohio State in football.

Baseball will save the University*

[KOdawg1]

Speaking of being a bitch- I just saw that Arnett lost one of the top DT in the state from Choctaw County to Ole Miss.

Let me guess- it's Dave Emerick's fault.**

It's a miss and I'm not hyping him up as this elite, perfect, infallible DC.

I'm not going to agree that he's one of the most overrated DC's in MSU history though. I'll leave saying stupid shit because I'm a literal air raid cultist (funny since you made a Manson analogy earlier) to you.

[maroonmania]

It's a miss and I'm not hyping him up as this elite, perfect, infallible DC.

I'm not going to agree that he's one of the most overrated DC's in MSU history though. I'll leave saying stupid shit because I'm a literal air raid cultist (funny since you made a Manson analogy earlier) to you.

I'm not ready to proclaim Arnett as a top 3 or 4 DC in the SEC but he's exponentially better than Coleman Hutzler ever thought about being.

[Coach34]

I'm not ready to proclaim Arnett as a top 3 or 4 DC in the SEC but he's exponentially better than Coleman Hutzler ever thought about being.

It takes having talent. We upgraded talent on D this offseason. Our D will be middle of the SEC in 2026- no matter who the DC is. It's hard to hate on Hutzler for having below average talent in the trenches and being slow at LB

[maroonmania]

It takes having talent. We upgraded talent on D this offseason. Our D will be middle of the SEC in 2026- no matter who the DC is. It's hard to hate on Hutzler for having below average talent in the trenches and being slow at LB

Not hard for me, he had NO qualifications to be an SEC DC. At least MacIntyre and Rhoads helped bring some adult supervision to the defensive situation this past season.