Indiana is why we shouldn't give up hope

[DEDawg]

Explain what it is since your understand. They got a Qb transfer that's the brother to the backup. Mendoza was 12-14 as a Cal starter. Dude wasn't a winner until he came to Indiana. Indiana had 13 transfers from James Madison, that cost $30 million, right? Mendoza is a cog to this puzzle. The team is winning with lower ranked transfer players and great coaching.

Explain what? You said it in your post. They spent $30M on just 13 players according to you. It is insane to think anyone is winning anything with just good coaching these days.

[DEDawg]

Amazing how "experts" disappear when they realize their agenda can't be supported by facts and that they don't know how to dialogue on a mature level

Who are you talking to

[msstate7]

What fueled this season for Indiana started last season. I'm genuinely untested in what you guys think that class cost. Here's the breakdown on the 2 recruiting site leaders...

2024 Indiana 247:
17 HS (1 4-star)
31 transfers (2 4-star)
46th overall
30th transfer
66th overall

On3:
60th
Avg nil value - 61k

ETA... for reference, our 2024 class had an avg nil value of 93k.

[msstate7]

What's the lowest 3-year avg composite recruiting ranking to win a natty? We probably looking at history this season

[Rawdawg]

What's the lowest 3-year avg composite recruiting ranking to win a natty? We probably looking at history this season

No idea but if you look at our in state recruiting since 2020 it?s absolutely putrid. We?ve missed on a ton of kids.

[msstate7]

No idea but if you look at our in state recruiting since 2020 it?s absolutely putrid. We?ve missed on a ton of kids.

And until we show a pulse, we will continue to. We will absolutely have to pony up money, but the way things are now, we have to offer way more than our competition

[DEDawg]

What's the lowest 3-year avg composite recruiting ranking to win a natty? We probably looking at history this season

My guess is 2010 Auburn. Which if accurate shows coaching isn't as important as the players. You need a Heisman level guy at QB (Cam, Mendoza, Chambliss, Moore) and really good pieces around him. Cam is a bit of an exception though, I know Fairley was on that team, but I can't really remember much else, Cam was just literally superman in college.

[Pinto]

In state recruiting should be a fill a spot plan. Not our primary focus. Kiffin said that himself and he?s right especially when it comes to the offense. The state does produce defense players at a higher level but only about 3 to 5 high quality players for offense.

Thinking we need to dominate high school recruiting in this state is very old head thinking.

And until we show a pulse, we will continue to. We will absolutely have to pony up money, but the way things are now, we have to offer way more than our competition

[Maroon Glasses]

What fueled this season for Indiana started last season. I'm genuinely untested in what you guys think that class cost. Here's the breakdown on the 2 recruiting site leaders...

2024 Indiana 247:
17 HS (1 4-star)
31 transfers (2 4-star)
46th overall
30th transfer
66th overall

On3:
60th
Avg nil value - 61k

ETA... for reference, our 2024 class had an avg nil value of 93k.

I'm with you 7. I'm confused also on some of the NIL references. This Indiana team is full of G-5 players and a once mediocre QB. The system the coaches built around him along with the technicality of this team in every aspect is phenomenal. One of the best coaching jobs I have ever seen, if not the best.

[Turfdawg67]

I'm with you 7. I'm confused also on some of the NIL references. This Indiana team is full of G-5 players and a once mediocre QB. The system the coaches built around him along with the technicality of this team in every aspect is phenomenal. One of the best coaching jobs I have ever seen, if not the best.

That?s fine and I agree. This thread got all out of wack because the goal posts moved. ?Lack of resources?, when proved otherwise was false, became NIL. Indiana?s football spend, including off-field staff that can go out and find a Chambliss (ranked 60th in the portal last year) has increased from $21M to $60M in four years. Cuban stated he finally donated ?a large number? to the athletic department due to Cignetti and that number will only grow. So now they?ll have a strong base and a potential Phil Knight ready to take it to another level. Can they be a blueprint for us? Sure. But we need to start spending more money and building that foundation up. Indications are that we are doing more of that so that?s good. Wouldn?t hurt to find another Curt Cignetti either.

[HoopsDawg]

What's the lowest 3-year avg composite recruiting ranking to win a natty? We probably looking at history this season

I saw that Indiana?s average age on offense is 22.5 years old. They don?t have a single offensive starter under 21. So they are playing with full grown men who have multiple years in college. A lot of guys who don?t have NFL talent but are 5 year veterans.

[bulldawg28]

Explain what? You said it in your post. They spent $30M on just 13 players according to you. It is insane to think anyone is winning anything with just good coaching these days.

No sir. I shouldn't have left off the asterisks. They 1000% didn't pay top dollar for James Madison recruits that followed their coach to Indiana. Indiana is winning with great coaching and team players. The NIL didn't win them games. Mendoza was a losing Qb until he came to Indiana. Coaching made him what he is.

[bulldawg28]

I saw that Indiana?s average age on offense is 22.5 years old. They don?t have a single offensive starter under 21. So they are playing with full grown men who have multiple years in college. A lot of guys who don?t have NFL talent but are 5 year veterans.

This also males a difference. BYU back in the day with Mormon missions was similar. Those dudes were full grown men with families.

[msstate7]

I saw that Indiana?s average age on offense is 22.5 years old. They don?t have a single offensive starter under 21. So they are playing with full grown men who have multiple years in college. A lot of guys who don?t have NFL talent but are 5 year veterans.

That is very interesting. Maybe we should be targeting guys like this

[Percho]

The best thing that could happen for Mississippi State Football would be for Ole Piss to win it all. Would piss off the money people of MSU.

[Pancho]

it's truly a dam shame if they aren't pissed already

[parabrave]

No sir. I shouldn't have left off the asterisks. They 1000% didn't pay top dollar for James Madison recruits that followed their coach to Indiana. Indiana is winning with great coaching and team players. The NIL didn't win them games. Mendoza was a losing Qb until he came to Indiana. Coaching made him what he is.

This all day long.

[parabrave]

That is very interesting. Maybe we should be targeting guys like this

Got to have a coach who holds his player accountable for mistakes and have a very well disciplined O/D Lines who do what they are coached to do. Plus they tackle very well.

[BlackSailsDawg]

C34 is gonna be so pissed at you

C34 isn't wrong. You are stuck on the word NIL even though it was not just NIL C34 was talking about. Indiana is spending money. Way more than us. Never did C34 say just in NIL. Cig is making over 11.6 million per year there. He has another 11 PLUS to spend on staffing. ETC.

In short, they did not get the cart before the horse. They got the off field staff that produces. The on field staff that produces. And now the NIL to keep it going.

[BlackSailsDawg]

This is correct, you don?t stand a chance to allow for coaching to matter without the players and investment to begin with.

Correct