So will Stans head to USM...

[coastdoglover]

Coach is incapable of ever admitting he was wrong about anything. His ego will not let him. 1 or 2 years from now he will still be blaming something other than the facts. It is his way of doing things. Nobody worships any coach and if they do, they are dumb. All those Bama fans who worship Saban are wondering now why. he is a great coach but if Auburn kicks their ass again this year they will be ready for straight jackets.

[Coach34]

Yeah it's way better right now..

Who said it was?

[shannondawg]

But it was sad also knowing we were never going to do anything at Tourney time

Maybe for you. But at least we had expectations of doing something then. Not anymore. But that's not your fault or concern.

At least its driven me to watching baseball games now.

[engie]

Maybe for you. But at least we had expectations of doing something then. Not anymore. But that's not your fault or concern.

At least its driven me to watching baseball games now.

I'm sorry -- Expectations of doing what, exactly?

I'm not going to be satisfied when Mullen regresses from averaging 7 wins per year to 6 wins per year halfway through his tenure either... especially when he starts consistently losing bowl games as a favorite...

No one's expectations for basketball has changed. The disagreement is based on the amount of time to put those expectations back into effect. For me -- and most of us that are reasonable -- that clock starts ticking next year. Ray is past his honeymoon and has had enough time to rebuild.

[engie]

Yeah it's way better right now. Sometimes it's just best to admit you were wrong. At least with Stans we had a chance.

A chance for what, exactly?

We "had a chance" of beating two final 4 teams that were final #1 and #7 in RPI last year with an obviously flawed and shorthanded team that couldn't shoot and only had one big man on roster. Let that sink in. We led in Rupp at halftime. We were down to UF by 1 at halftime. We led both of those games early in the second half only to run out of gas late -- essentially when they got Ware into foul trouble which led to us becoming exploitable as hell inside and on the glass.

But everyone wants to focus on the losing streak itself instead of the flaws that allowed it happened and how we played in the individual games compared to how we played in the same games the year before...

We will put our first full team on the court next year -- and it's NIT or bust for me with Ray.

[tcdog70]

A chance for what, exactly?

We "had a chance" of beating two final 4 teams that were final #1 and #7 in RPI last year with an obviously flawed and shorthanded team that couldn't shoot and only had one big man on roster. Let that sink in. We led in Rupp at halftime. We were down to UF by 1 at halftime. We led both of those games early in the second half only to run out of gas late -- essentially when they got Ware into foul trouble which led to us becoming exploitable as hell inside and on the glass.

But everyone wants to focus on the losing streak itself instead of the flaws that allowed it happened and how we played in the individual games compared to how we played in the same games the year before...

We will put our first full team on the court next year -- and it's NIT or bust for me with Ray.

Can't argue with that. I'm jumping on the Rick Ray train with an open mind until it goes South. hope it doesn't . But the proof will be in the puddin

[TheDogFather]

what? What am I lying about?

and while he may not have actually filled out a job app- he has damn sure tried to get in the running for some jobs. He damn near jerked off Jacobs trying to get in the mix for Auburn. I know he had dinner with Jacobs and I know who was at the table that night. So don't come here with that bullshit. You and I both know he wants a coaching job so bad he can't stand it- and it has nothing to do with needing money.

Seems like you would have been more offended at the sitting at a computer acting like a coach part rather than the lying part. But to each his own.

[Coach34]

Ray needs to show us something this Winter and next - nobody denies that

[TheDogFather]

Ray has his chance to prove something this Winter- we'll see what he's got

Two years of seeing has been enough for the non-experts

[Coach34]

Seems like you would have been more offended at the sitting at a computer acting like a coach part rather than the lying part. But to each his own.

Well since I dont coach for a living anymore- I'm an online coach just like everybody else. The only difference is that I'm very good at it and know what the **** I'm talking about

[Coach34]

Two years of seeing has been enough for the non-experts

exactly- and why they are wrong time after time. Good post

[preachermatt83]

they problem is that many think that if you don't think Ray is getting it done or will get it done then you are a stands supporter. That's just not true.. I would have fired Stands long before most would have but that don't mean I gotta like Ray. he is not a very good coach or recruiter and it will be proven this year again. Question to Ray fans is this... If we don't reach the NIT this year then will you be ready to fire him?

[TheDogFather]

exactly- and why they are wrong time after time. Good post

Appreciate it. I suppose you are the only one on here that knows anything.

[TheDogFather]

Well since I dont coach for a living anymore- I'm an online coach just like everybody else. The only difference is that I'm very good at it and know what the **** I'm talking about

Like the time you said Ray was a good coach because everyone was copying his defense? Espousing your own expertise says a lot.

[Coach34]

Like the time you said Ray was a good coach because everyone was copying his defense?

Yes- exactly like that

[Coach34]

they problem is that many think that if you don't think Ray is getting it done or will get it done then you are a stands supporter.

That's not true- it's just that the people who run to their computer to defends Stands at the mere mention of his name are 95% of the people hating on Ray.

All I'm saying is Ray needs a chance to show what he can do. He has spent 2 years rebuilding- now we'll see what he can really do these next 2 years. He's going to be here 4 years

[shannondawg]

That 95% of the people that defend Stans love MSU and want Ray succeed, I don't like not liking MSU basketball the way it is now. I just don't expect to win the SEC games and that's a bummer to me. I can't speak for anyone else.

So maybe Ky may have been down a bit to be honest I don't know and could care the **** less, but we played the team in front of us, we couldn't send them home and tell them to bring their A game. Nobody seemed to complain at the time we beat them. Don't recollect when our winning streak against Alabama under Jackie might have not caught them with their greatest teams, but then again we beat them sons bitches. I just loved watching them million dollar Rv's jumping curbs getting the hell out of Starkpatch..

And Engie, it was either going to or watching on tv or listening to games with the expectation of winning. Just being in the Hump when it was electric was a thrill for me And at my age, I don't expect to see us back to that level in my life time. And let me tell you , that ain't fun.

[coastdoglover]

Amen. And you don't see these clowns talking about how sub par those Bama teams were we beat in football other than the 6-3 win years ago. If Rick Ray can get above .500 in the league folks will be ecstatic but funny how that was judged as bad in Stans era. Man, how things have changed.

That 95% of the people that defend Stans love MSU and want Ray succeed, I don't like not liking MSU basketball the way it is now. I just don't expect to win the SEC games and that's a bummer to me. I can't speak for anyone else.

So maybe Ky may have been down a bit to be honest I don't know and could care the **** less, but we played the team in front of us, we couldn't send them home and tell them to bring their A game. Nobody seemed to complain at the time we beat them. Don't recollect when our winning streak against Alabama under Jackie might have not caught them with their greatest teams, but then again we beat them sons bitches. I just loved watching them million dollar Rv's jumping curbs getting the hell out of Starkpatch..

And Engie, it was either going to or watching on tv or listening to games with the expectation of winning. Just being in the Hump when it was electric was a thrill for me And at my age, I don't expect to see us back to that level in my life time. And let me tell you , that ain't fun.

[Political Hack]

Amen. And you don't see these clowns talking about how sub par those Bama teams were we beat in football other than the 6-3 win years ago. If Rick Ray can get above .500 in the league folks will be ecstatic but funny how that was judged as bad in Stans era. Man, how things have changed.

the change in expectations is what drives me crazy. why the hell is it ok for Rick Ray to be an NIT coach in year 3 or 4, but it's not ok for Stans? Basketball takes 5. It doesn't take 3 to 4 years to build a decent roster.

[Coach34]

\ It doesn't take 3 to 4 years to build a decent roster.

Thats where the disagreement comes in. And also where none of you can give us an example of where a coach rebuilt quicker when left with what Ray was left with