So will Stans head to USM...

[Coach34]

So you only had to beat that drum for a mere 9 years. I'll bet engie won't even have to go that long.

Well I also nailed his lack if discipline, lack of commitment to S&C, and his ahem...in game coaching

Engie went a little overboard on Mullen and has admitted as much- but he is also correct in saying that this year is Mullen's year to show what he's made of. 7-5 (3-5) this year won't cut it with the team and schedule we have. It's time to beat an LSU, Auburn or A&M

[MadDawg]

Engie went a little overboard on Mullen and has admitted as much-

Well I went a little overboard on Cohen for some head-scratching baserunning calls and pitching rotations (things that are still bitched about today I might add) and he still calls me out on it every chance he gets.

[engie]

So you only had to beat that drum for a mere 9 years. I'll bet engie won't even have to go that long.

I'm not beating any drums. Unlike many -- I have no agenda regarding any MSU sport other than being and having the best possible to us -- nor have I entered into a marriage with a certain coach and essentially abandoned my "family" -- which is another way of saying the actual Mississippi State program(s).

Coach ended up being right about Stans. Dismiss it however you wish. He was decent -- but still incapable of taking us back to a next level that we had a fresh taste of when he became head coach here. And it didn't take a genius to see his shortcomings on the floor either. That's why it was easy to know fairly early in his tenure that he wasn't going to take us on any deep runs that required him outcoaching/outstrategizing other teams -- our having a more mentally tough bunch. He was very good in a whole bunch of aspects. No doubt. But ultimately, he never had "it" for one of the most important parts.

And before anyone comes with the "I bet you miss those 20 win seasons now". No. I don't. I was longing for more and still am -- and if we have to walk the wilderness for a little while while chasing it before we find it, so be it. In the end -- demanding "more" is going to get us "more"...

[MadDawg]

I'm not beating any drums. Unlike many -- I have no agenda

You might be shocked to learn that very few posters actually have an agenda other than wanting what is best for MSU. There may be very differing opinions about what that may be though. But when we start painting someone we disagree with into some made-up corner attributing things to them that only serve the purpose of making them a better target for our criticism and disparaging remarks, we aren't helping anyone. All that accomplishes is dividing the fanbase.

[shannondawg]

Well one thing for certain, Stansbury will be listed in the media guides as MSU all time winning coach. Message boards aside.

I am not so much about defending him, as I question the agenda of the continued berating of him. But in truth I do know why C34 does it and he may be justified in doing so. Not so much why Engie does except maybe a case of manlove for C34

He started this message board and has done a bang up job and my hats off to him, and it wouldn't have had the success it has except his fame (for lack of a better word) of hounding Stansbury.

I don't keep count, but I would venture to guess that these threads on Stansbury all added up would be by far the dominant posts of any and all subjects on this board. So why would he stop?as its the key to him success as a message board manager. I respect that I really do.

On a another subject, to be honest I have never followed baseball, only being a die hard MSU fan only checked to see if we won or lost. But call me a bandwagon fan or whatever, I have started watching when on tv, and go thru the threads on games. What amazes me in reading the threads the dreadful comments that posters make after every out or error or whatever on our players part. Second guessing the coaching, berating the players, Hoo boy, it really makes me wonder how someone could take anything serious that is posted on these boards..

And yes, I am guilty as well , but to be honest I just peruse the topics, and very seldom open a thread unless its news or my favorite poster hounding one of my favorite ex coaches, the other being the Kang Jackie..

[engie]

On a another subject, to be honest I have never followed baseball, only being a die hard MSU fan only checked to see if we won or lost. But call me a bandwagon fan or whatever, I have started watching when on tv, and go thru the threads on games. What amazes me in reading the threads the dreadful comments that posters make after every out or error or whatever on our players part. Second guessing the coaching, berating the players, Hoo boy, it really makes me wonder how someone could take anything serious that is posted on these boards..

When you read enough for awhile -- you learn who you want to listen to on certain sports and who you don't... and after Mullen pulled the Egg Bowl out last year, I don't blame anyone that doesn't want to listen to me on football -- because I just didn't think it was possible... That said --

Overreaction to individual baseball plays, performances, or even entire games and series at times make it obvious who not to listen to on baseball -- which is a game of ups and downs, streaks, and overall a very long season. I agree with you -- far too many of our fans hang their hat on what happened in the last 5 seconds with the sport. Instead -- the opinion of where we're at should be the sum of all the data -- or the longterm average of the highs and lows. This team is a bit behind schedule -- no doubt about it. The overall goals are still there for the taking though.

The thing about Cohen is this... Baseball is by far my most knowledgeable sport -- and even taking the sum of everything that happens in a given season and applying it to how good I think we are(and there were times last year I was on an island defending my thoughts as a top 8-12 team in the country while the sum of the MSU message board community was in meltdown) -- Cohen has surpassed those expectations at times in each of the last 3 postseasons... Given a sport I can generally predict pretty well in the macro sense -- that's pretty incredible to me. If he makes a run this year, things are going to start getting crazy...

[Coach34]

What gets lost is that I don't hate Stands- I just still don't understand the cult following he has that always tries to make him into something he's not. It's funny seeing the way he is viewed by fans/boosters and the way he is viewed by coaches/administrators. Many people in the business I've talked to over the year's pretty much view Stands as a lesser version of Les Miles from a coaching standpoint. Works hard, recruits hard- but always leaves you wondering "how does this guy keep his job?".

[engie]

What gets lost is that I don't hate Stands- I just still don't understand the cult following he has that always tries to make him into something he's not. It's funny seeing the way he is viewed by fans/boosters and the way he is viewed by coaches/administrators. Many people in the business I've talked to over the year's pretty much view Stands as a lesser version of Les Miles from a coaching standpoint. Works hard, recruits hard- but always leaves you wondering "how does this guy keep his job?".

Stansbury is akin to Bianco in a bunch of ways to me in how he's viewed from within and his inability to get over a certain threshold in the postseason regardless of how talented his individual teams were. Had he never totally lost control and let the team go toxic, he would probably still be here -- and probably still be doing the same thing winning 20-22 and being on the bubble. Maybe this "achievement" would have been as simple as holding Kirby? We'll never know...

The thing that endears Bianco more is that his predecessor(s) didn't have nearly the success -- albeit in roller coaster fashion -- that Richard Williams did. That left us as a fanbase starving for more -- with goals, no matter how unrealistic, that we'd very recently accomplished and want back. Few were alive the last time Ole Miss went farther than Bianco has taken them -- and we can pretty safely say that none of their fans gave a rats ass about college baseball back then...

[tcdog70]

A) Ohhh no- Stands will get brought up time and again every time he gets passed over for a job. You can try and say he wasnt interested in the Mississippi Southern job- but you dont go to Europe to recruit, hire a firm to help you get a job, and lock up juco Supahstar Devonte Pollard to just sit back and fish.

B) Stands record was indeed who he was: he was about 0-20 vs the RPI top 25 the last 7 years....and 29-39 for his career vs the big 4 in the SEC

i think in Stans' last seven years He beat Ky 3 times and we got screwed in the SEC Tourny or he would have had a 4-3 record against Ky. My question is-wasn't Ky in the top 20 RPI? I think he is all time 9th winnest Coach in the SEC. I would venture to say that in the last 7 years MSU's record against Ky was better than anyone's.

[Homedawg]

i think in Stans' last seven years He beat Ky 3 times and we got screwed in the SEC Tourny or he would have had a 4-3 record against Ky. My question is-wasn't Ky in the top 20 RPI? I think he is all time 9th winnest Coach in the SEC. I would venture to say that in the last 7 years MSU's record against Ky was better than anyone's.

Yes we got hosed a couple of time against uk. We aren't alone in that I'm sure. For the record Stan's beat uk 4 times in his career.

[MadDawg]

i think in Stans' last seven years He beat Ky 3 times and we got screwed in the SEC Tourny or he would have had a 4-3 record against Ky. My question is-wasn't Ky in the top 20 RPI? I think he is all time 9th winnest Coach in the SEC. I would venture to say that in the last 7 years MSU's record against Ky was better than anyone's.

I don't think anyone really believed 34's second point. It was probably just all that non-hate clouding his memory.

[tcdog70]

here is a good link that shows the whole truth. Not just the last seven years of Stansbury. I would hope that we could do this good in the future.


http://statsheet.com/mcb/coaches/ric.../career_record

[Dawgcentral]

Going out on a limb for Sidney, then watching his fat ass walk the floor was what did me in with Stansbury. Still pisses me off.

[engie]

I don't think anyone really believed 34's second point. It was probably just all that non-hate clouding his memory.

Ah yes -- the UK games that constantly reaffirmed how much talent we had on our teams and how good we could be when giving total effort -- directly before getting thumped by Auburn and South Carolina the following week and not giving a damn... The good ole days**

[shannondawg]

Most wins of any coach we have had. So why should we not like him the best...At least we had expectations of winning when coming to games, and most of the time we did.

[tcdog70]

Ah yes -- the UK games that constantly reaffirmed how much talent we had on our teams and how good we could be when giving total effort -- directly before getting thumped by Auburn and South Carolina the following week and not giving a damn... The good ole days**

You mean after Hood got hurt in the Ky game with us in the lead and didn't play in the auburn and SC game. Also Moultrie was hurt. But we have the last two years to help us forget how shitty winning twenty games was***

[Coach34]

Most wins of any coach we have had. So why should we not like him the best...At least we had expectations of winning when coming to games, and most of the time we did.

But it was sad also knowing we were never going to do anything at Tourney time

[Coach34]

You mean after Hood got hurt in the Ky game with us in the lead and didn't play in the auburn and SC game. Also Moultrie was hurt.

Moultrie was hurt??? Wtf? He played all 40 minutes the next game

http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=320560333

[Coach34]

i think in Stans' last seven years He beat Ky 3 times and we got screwed in the SEC Tourny or he would have had a 4-3 record against Ky. My question is-wasn't Ky in the top 20 RPI? I think he is all time 9th winnest Coach in the SEC. I would venture to say that in the last 7 years MSU's record against Ky was better than anyone's.

We beat Kentucky:

in 2007- the year they told Tubby to leave after going 22-12. They were not RPI top 25
in 2008- Gillispie's 1st season when they went 18-13. They were not RPI top25
in 2009- Gillispie 2nd season when they went to the NIT after going 22-14...and aGAIN- not RPI top 25

Gets your facts straight or learn your place

[TimberBeast]

But it was sad also knowing we were never going to do anything at Tourney time

Yeah it's way better right now. Sometimes it's just best to admit you were wrong. At least with Stans we had a chance.