Just here to say that we have money issues.. not coaching

[BlackSailsDawg]

We are having to pinch pennies unlike Ole Miss or most on our schedule. An example is Hardy. You the guy that ran all over us last night? We had to pass on him due to money. We went with option 2 to save money to be able to spend elsewhere.

I see so much jealously of Ole Miss on here without the understanding. Lane Kiffin does exactly what you are complaining that Lebby does. Lane went for it on 4th inside his own 20 on the road vs OU this season. He did it verses Bama 2 years ago. In fact he lost that game. The OU game this year, he had the talent to make up for it.

This isn't a poor ole state. It's a simple truth and it is what it is. Until we get way more money in NIL we are going to have this same discussion over and over no matter who the QB is nor the HC is. It's always going to be somebody's fault that our 3 star OL could not block a 5 star DL and LB rather than understanding our lack of purchasing power.

When you get to that point, you begin to grasp how well this staff has done with what we have. We should not have been in the Tenn, Tx, TAMU, UF, nor Mizzou game at any point.


I love MSU! I will always watch til the end. But this constant blaming everybody except for THE issue is mind numbing.

[Quaoarsking]

The idea that no one on here understands we are in a bad money position and just jealous of Ole Miss is hysterically out-of-touch. We all get it.

We need a coach who can win despite the financial disadvantages. Even if Lebby could hypothetically be a good coach at a richer school (which I doubt), he doesn't appear to be the right coach for us.

[BlackSailsDawg]

The idea that no one on here understands we are in a bad money position and just jealous of Ole Miss is hysterically out-of-touch. We all get it.

We need a coach who can win despite the financial disadvantages. Even if Lebby could hypothetically be a good coach at a richer school (which I doubt), he doesn't appear to be the right coach for us.

We are not going to. We are competitive this season. But we will not take another step forward until money flows.

[Maroon Glasses]

I'm not arguing we don't have a money problem.. of course we do. But money problems has nothing to do with Lebby's coaching decisions last night and previous games this year. We can argue his play calling was because of lack of personal, sure. Get creative. COACH like you're paid to do. If money shortage played a part in deciding to pass against Florida, punt to Texas, and run 8 straight QB draws against Mizz then I really dont understand this game called football. And that is just a fraction of a fraction of questionable coaching decisions this year.

Agree with you we need more money and better players. But last night 1000% got me off the Lebby train. In game decisions have killed this season.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I'm not arguing we don't have a money problem.. of course we do. But money problems has nothing to do with Lebby's coaching decisions last night and previous games this year. We can argue his play calling was because of lack of personal, sure. Get creative. COACH like you're paid to do. If money shortage played a part in deciding to pass against Florida, punt to Texas, and run 8 straight QB draws against Mizz then I really dont understand this game called football. And that is just a fraction of a fraction of questionable coaching decisions this year.

Agree with you we need more money and better players. But last night 1000% got me off the Lebby train. In game decisions have killed this season.

The UF game. Personally I would have ran it instead of passing it. But I understand the thought process. If we get a TFL it makes the FG near impossible. So a quick pass, speaking stat wise, should result in positive yards OR incomplete pass, and rarely an INT.

We did not run 8 straight draws vs Mizzou. Those were RPOs and both QBs saw they had the numbers. When you have the numbers you take it. So what happened? Piss poor blocking. We had numbers and still could do nothing. On the flip side of that, if the QBs do not take the numbers, our wrs have little room because that's where they put the numbers at.

We have a 3 star line trying to defend against 5 and 4 star players at DE, DL, and LB.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Anyone paying attention can tell we have improved from last year to this one. We are playing harder and are in games which is a credit to Lebby and staff.

However,

Not money, not facilities, not (insert whatever other excuse you want). The reason we lost the Tennessee, Florida, and Texas games are Lebby and Lebby alone. His play calling- specifically going for it over and over on 4th down on our own side of the field have been the difference. That is COMPLETELY on him. As a coach you have to have some feel for the game, and he apparently does not. I never bought into the line of "He's young and learning how to win". Going for it on our own 36 against Texas was maybe the dumbest call I have ever seen. He shows no remorse for it and generally blames the players for his own mistakes. He is about to lose this locker room. We are in positions to win and he takes away our chances.

I am generally never in favor of firing a coach after 2 years but he has proved to me things arent going to change.

[SPMT]

How do we get more money?

Are Ole Miss boosters that much wealthier than MSU boosters?

Are we just not as committed as Ole Miss?

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

How do we get more money?

Are Ole Miss boosters that much wealthier than MSU boosters?

Are we just not as committed as Ole Miss?

Our fans don't really care for football. We have proved it over and over.

[Maroon Glasses]

The UF game. Personally I would have ran it instead of passing it. But I understand the thought process. If we get a TFL it makes the FG near impossible. So a quick pass, speaking stat wise, should result in positive yards OR incomplete pass, and rarely an INT.

We did not run 8 straight draws vs Mizzou. Those were RPOs and both QBs saw they had the numbers. When you have the numbers you take it. So what happened? Piss poor blocking. We had numbers and still could do nothing. On the flip side of that, if the QBs do not take the numbers, our wrs have little room because that's where they put the numbers at.

We have a 3 star line trying to defend against 5 and 4 star players at DE, DL, and LB.

According to Lebby in his post game interview.. he said the QB runs was part of their gameplan. Said they thought they could utilize it against Mizz defense. I get they are rpo plays. But if it doesn't work and clearly isn't working.. you can't keep going to it and expect a different outcome. That is my problem with Lebby. He literally kept trying,trying, and trying it. Roll the QB outside the pocket. Give it to a RB. Get in the I formation. Idc what he calls but QB draw, rpo, whatever it was... did not work and he literally kept rolling with it. Now I'm not a coach so I don't wanna sound like a know it all cause I'm not. But decisions have been questionable to say the least. I'm just aggravated. We definitely, definitely need more money tho. No argument from me there.

[Maroon Glasses]

Anyone paying attention can tell we have improved from last year to this one. We are playing harder and are in games which is a credit to Lebby and staff.

However,

Not money, not facilities, not (insert whatever other excuse you want). The reason we lost the Tennessee, Florida, and Texas games are Lebby and Lebby alone. His play calling- specifically going for it over and over on 4th down on our own side of the field have been the difference. That is COMPLETELY on him. As a coach you have to have some feel for the game, and he apparently does not. I never bought into the line of "He's young and learning how to win". Going for it on our own 36 against Texas was maybe the dumbest call I have ever seen. He shows no remorse for it and generally blames the players for his own mistakes. He is about to lose this locker room. We are in positions to win and he takes away our chances.

I am generally never in favor of firing a coach after 2 years but he has proved to me things arent going to change.

100% my thoughts. Great post

[BlackSailsDawg]

Anyone paying attention can tell we have improved from last year to this one. We are playing harder and are in games which is a credit to Lebby and staff.

However,

Not money, not facilities, not (insert whatever other excuse you want). The reason we lost the Tennessee, Florida, and Texas games are Lebby and Lebby alone. His play calling- specifically going for it over and over on 4th down on our own side of the field have been the difference. That is COMPLETELY on him. As a coach you have to have some feel for the game, and he apparently does not. I never bought into the line of "He's young and learning how to win". Going for it on our own 36 against Texas was maybe the dumbest call I have ever seen. He shows no remorse for it and generally blames the players for his own mistakes. He is about to lose this locker room. We are in positions to win and he takes away our chances.

I am generally never in favor of firing a coach after 2 years but he has proved to me things arent going to change.

Gotta disagree. It was his play calling that got us in position to win to begin with. Imagine if we had an OL that was comparable to ANYBODY else in the SEC. We don't. If we did, we would be an 8 win team. That goes for the DL/LB too. Being thin has hurt us at the end of games (tx and UT).

We are not far off. We need maybe 5 to 7 million more to raise the bar at OL and DL/LB.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Gotta disagree. It was his play calling that got us in position to win to begin with. Imagine if we had an OL that was comparable to ANYBODY else in the SEC. We don't. If we did, we would be an 8 win team. That goes for the DL/LB too. Being thin has hurt us at the end of games (tx and UT).

We are not far off. We need maybe 5 to 7 million more to raise the bar at OL and DL/LB.

If we punt the ball against Texas, they simply do not have enough time to come back on us. Running Kamario off left tackle in the Florida game gives us a ~45 yard attempt. If he misses the field goal- fine- at least we had an opportunity. Lebby is erasing these chances with his own stupidity. It has nothing to do with depth.

[BlackSailsDawg]

How do we get more money?

Are Ole Miss boosters that much wealthier than MSU boosters?

Are we just not as committed as Ole Miss?

I think it's several problems. Ole Miss will look like their home game. Watch. That's horrible on our fan's part. They want to complain about not winning, but damn sure don't call them out on that part. we don't seem to care as a fan base to do what we need to do. Show up, and sell it out. We want the wins without playing our role/part. Another way to look at that is friends are few and far between until you win the lottery. Then you meet all of your best friends that you never knew you had. They are willing to do what ever it takes to just get that little bit of "I rubbed shoulders with" feeling. Selling out brings money in.

Next is we do not have the booster pool that can do what Arkansas is about to do. They are about to leave us in the dirt with one of the worst in state talent pool in the SEC. Now... do we have enough boosters to make us better. Yes. If they buy in.

Ole miss has always purchased a team. It was just illegal back in the day. So if they are willing to risk the NCAA hammering them, then you know they are all in now.

[CaptainObvious]

Well, we aren?t going to get the money. It just isn?t there for Football nor will it ever be if our wealthy NFL players don?t step up and make sizable donations. And frankly, I don?t think they care. They got what they needed out of State and have moved on in life. I would be very surprised if any of their kids that turn out to be great athletes even think about attending MSU. The Jenkins kid is a different situation because it is a football dad raising a very talented baseball son. Where are our legacy star football players? None. Where is our athletics department bringing all those Probowlers in during the off-season to try and get them on board with helping with NIL and Coaches Salaries?

I said earlier, we could charge an NIL fee on top of every ticket but ticket prices are already pricing out the average State fans family.

[BlackSailsDawg]

If we punt the ball against Texas, they simply do not have enough time to come back on us. Running Kamario off left tackle in the Florida game gives us a ~45 yard attempt. If he misses the field goal- fine- at least we had an opportunity. Lebby is erasing these chances with his own stupidity. It has nothing to do with depth.

That's pure speculation Bruce. You don't know that Taylor would have made yards. He takes TFLs too. And that is due to what? The 3 star OL. Yes it does have to do with depth. You can not be serious in thinking that Smith and Whitson have not been missed. Did you know that Whitson has not played since the 2nd game but still leads our team in sacks? Do you think Smith doesn't set the edges better than Washington?

So yeah. Depth matters a hell of a whole lot.

[CaptainObvious]

Gotta disagree. It was his play calling that got us in position to win to begin with. Imagine if we had an OL that was comparable to ANYBODY else in the SEC. We don't. If we did, we would be an 8 win team. That goes for the DL/LB too. Being thin has hurt us at the end of games (tx and UT).

We are not far off. We need maybe 5 to 7 million more to raise the bar at OL and DL/LB.

Whose responsibility is the offensive line and the defense? The guy with whom the buck stops.

Not only is Lebby a bad in game coach, he is a horrible talent evaluator. So forget about the money. It ain?t coming! Get a gimmicky established head coach who has won at the lower level or at even tougher places to win than State and hire a Stealth Jet to take the coaches and all the returning players to a remote island where they do nothing but practice for 300 days straight. It may be cheating but the Law has made cheating in football legal so cheat away!

[CaptainObvious]

That's pure speculation Bruce. You don't know that Taylor would have made yards. He takes TFLs too. And that is due to what? The 3 star OL. Yes it does have to do with depth. You can not be serious in thinking that Smith and Whitson have not been missed. Did you know that Whitson has not played since the 2nd game but still leads our team in sacks? Do you think Smith doesn't set the edges better than Washington?

So yeah. Depth matters a hell of a whole lot.

Everybody has 3 star offensive linemen. And I mean EVERYBODY from Ohio State to Georgia!

There are only 32 5 star players rated 98 or higher) every year and rarely are more than 1 or 2 an Offensive Lineman.
There are between 200 and 250 4 star players (rated 89.5 to 97.9) every year. Probably 30-45 of those are offensive linemen and a third of that Left Tackles. We ain?t getting them.

I pointed this out the other day. In Auburn?s heyday, they redshirted entire classes of offensive linemen to where they had 7 seniors and juniors every single year on the line. It was a Pat Dye?s and Pie Vann?s way and it was successful.

[SPMT]

I think it's several problems. Ole Miss will look like their home game. Watch. That's horrible on our fan's part. They want to complain about not winning, but damn sure don't call them out on that part. we don't seem to care as a fan base to do what we need to do. Show up, and sell it out. We want the wins without playing our role/part. Another way to look at that is friends are few and far between until you win the lottery. Then you meet all of your best friends that you never knew you had. They are willing to do what ever it takes to just get that little bit of "I rubbed shoulders with" feeling. Selling out brings money in.

Next is we do not have the booster pool that can do what Arkansas is about to do. They are about to leave us in the dirt with one of the worst in state talent pool in the SEC. Now... do we have enough boosters to make us better. Yes. If they buy in.

Ole miss has always purchased a team. It was just illegal back in the day. So if they are willing to risk the NCAA hammering them, then you know they are all in now.

The games have been packed and it wasn?t that long ago, post Leach we have struggled.

It?s a leadership issue from the people employed by the university as much as it is the fans, maybe more. It is their job to create more buy in.

[Cowbeller]

Donate. Donate. Donate again. Call your rich buddy and get him to donate.

Until we change the culture of the fanbase towards NIL we will continue to be 5-6 wins. It can be done but it starts with us

[Quaoarsking]

The games have been packed and it wasn?t that long ago, post Leach we have struggled.

It?s a leadership issue from the people employed by the university as much as it is the fans, maybe more. It is their job to create more buy in.

The administration shouldn't have hired a coach nobody wanted, and then said coach should have worked harder to get the fans back on board instead of getting his ass kicked by Toledo.