Shapen listed as probable today

[msstate7]

I think I've heard that statement made about every QB2 who was behind the QB1s on that list from StarkvegasSteve

Keytaon was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Nick
Robertson was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Will
Dak was lightyears ahead of Russell (who at the time was statistically the best QB in our history).
York was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Fant.
Fant was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Madkin.
Madkin was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Wyatt
Rodney Hudson was the the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Sleepy and Greg Plump.

And I didn't say KT is the most talented qb we've ever signed; that's dak. I said KT is immensely more talented than Shapen, which he is. Sorry if that bothers you

[DEDawg]

How do you know he leads?

[confucius say]

And I didn't say KT is the most talented qb we've ever signed; that's dak. I said KT is immensely more talented than Shapen, which he is. Sorry if that bothers you

KT is more talented than Dak physically.

[msstate7]

How do you know he leads?

93.4> 91.1. And again, I know he isn't qualified. Still, you can only judge a player by what he does when he plays, and his play is elite is so far. I know it wouldn't stay at 93.4 QBR if he played full time, but the small sample is good enough for me to want to see a bigger sample. Perhaps if he played all the time, it would drop to 60.1 (65th nationally) like Shapen.

[msstate7]

KT is more talented than Dak physically.

Perhaps. I'm biased towards dak. And it's totally unfair for me to see the end dak and compare him to the true freshman KT

[EdwardDrayton]

Perhaps. I'm biased towards dak. And it's totally unfair for me to see the end dak and compare him to the true freshman KT

KT is more agile physically than Dak was and is.

[BrunswickDawg]

And I've said over-and-over that he doesn't qualify. He doesn't decide his playing time, but he has been excellent when he does. I see you totally gloss over a td rate of 57.1% per drive in sec play.

I don't disagree that he has been very good - situationally. But you are also ignoring how much a situational QB he's been. Other than Alcorn, the first 5 games he played in packages specifically to gain short yardage and or short yardage scores. That is going to heavily skew a stat that places large portion of their measurement on scoring plays. He has the advantage of getting the ball on in those situations versus playing 90% of the snaps and taking all the hits like Shapen has.

Does he pass the eye test as a guy that is immensely talented? Yes. Is he long term more talented then Shapen?? Possibly. Maybe even probably. But, we've also thought that many times before only to end up booing the guy as a Senior.

[Cowbell]

Most of those are due he doesn't step up in the pocket. He makes himself a sitting duck. I would hate to be a lineman for him.

This

[Cowbell]

And I didn't say KT is the most talented qb we've ever signed; that's dak. I said KT is immensely more talented than Shapen, which he is. Sorry if that bothers you

KT is the most talented QB we have probably ever signed. Dak was a work in progress.

[Cowbell]

Perhaps. I'm biased towards dak. And it's totally unfair for me to see the end dak and compare him to the true freshman KT

Just compare him to freshman 3-star dak.

[Bothrops]

How many sacks will Mizzou record this weekend? I'd say 5-6.

[R2Dawg]

In the last game Shapen was sacked 1 more time than KT. And by the way, Shapen has already been sacked 31 times- 6 more than he has any season of his career and we still have two games left.

Our issue isn't Shapen. It isn't him holding onto the ball too long. And it sure as hell isn't his lack of mobility. It's our offensive line absolutely sucks. And KT's lack of accuracy offsets the production from his legs relative to what Shapen gives us in terms of accuracy.

Shapen is part of the issue. So is the OL. Two things true at once. He does hold the ball too long. On the long KT throw, KT threw it much quicker with guy in his face. Shapen would have been in fetal position with a sack.

Shapen does not presnap read the D. Obvious blitz is coming and he does not adjust to throw quick. That is on Shapen not the OL.

KT pocket awareness is much better even as a freshman. He feels the rush and makes them pay. Only time he got sacked there was not where to run as he tried.

[R2Dawg]

KT is more agile physically than Dak was and is.

No doubt, Dak ran like a FB but was still effective.

[EdwardDrayton]

KT is the most talented QB we have probably ever signed. Dak was a work in progress.

We don't know yet if KT is the most talented. He probably is the most agile. But he still has much to prove to show he can be better than Dak.

[EdwardDrayton]

Shapen is part of the issue. So is the OL. Two things true at once. He does hold the ball too long. On the long KT throw, KT threw it much quicker with guy in his face. Shapen would have been in fetal position with a sack.

Shapen does not presnap read the D. Obvious blitz is coming and he does not adjust to throw quick. That is on Shapen not the OL.

KT pocket awareness is much better even as a freshman. He feels the rush and makes them pay. Only time he got sacked there was not where to run as he tried.

His pocket awareness and poise is encouraging to be so young and inexperienced.

[DEDawg]

93.4> 91.1. And again, I know he isn't qualified. Still, you can only judge a player by what he does when he plays, and his play is elite is so far. I know it wouldn't stay at 93.4 QBR if he played full time, but the small sample is good enough for me to want to see a bigger sample. Perhaps if he played all the time, it would drop to 60.1 (65th nationally) like Shapen.

But you just pulled 1 non qualified player who is higher and compared it to the qualified list. You would have to go individually look at every single backup QB in the country to know he is the highest

[msstate7]

But you just pulled 1 non qualified player who is higher and compared it to the qualified list. You would have to go individually look at every single backup QB in the country to know he is the highest

You're missing the whole point of it: KT has been outstanding, and his qbr backs it up. But if it makes you happier, KT's qbr (in a SSS) is better than the #1 qualifier.

[justwin]

93.4> 91.1. And again, I know he isn't qualified. Still, you can only judge a player by what he does when he plays, and his play is elite is so far. I know it wouldn't stay at 93.4 QBR if he played full time, but the small sample is good enough for me to want to see a bigger sample. Perhaps if he played all the time, it would drop to 60.1 (65th nationally) like Shapen.

numbers don't lie. the decision to not play the best player only b/c they are younger is a high school level coach approach, basic, and unable to process the enormous upside. we've seen it on the field the last several weeks, kamario should start and play the entire game.

[justwin]

Shapen is part of the issue. So is the OL. Two things true at once. He does hold the ball too long. On the long KT throw, KT threw it much quicker with guy in his face. Shapen would have been in fetal position with a sack.

Shapen does not presnap read the D. Obvious blitz is coming and he does not adjust to throw quick. That is on Shapen not the OL.

KT pocket awareness is much better even as a freshman. He feels the rush and makes them pay. Only time he got sacked there was not where to run as he tried.

exactly. just watch the ARK & UGA drives again. it jumps out. Kamario can make every throw this offense requires. If kamario starts and gets those 5 to 6 drives in the 1H that shapen has been wasting, we likely score 21+ each of those 1Hs.

[Coach34]

numbers don't lie. the decision to not play the best player only b/c they are younger is a high school level coach approach, basic, and unable to process the enormous upside. we've seen it on the field the last several weeks, kamario should start and play the entire game.

Yesssssss. The guy that is paid millions and winning games depends on him to continue to make millions of dollars- not to mention he has a drive for winning- plays the inferior QB that he watches day after day in practice, on gameday, and on film