Sunday Morning QB With SVS-Jimmys and Joes Still Matter More Than Xs and Os

[EdwardDrayton]

Did anyone hear about Blake's condition? He didn't appear in distress when they showed him standing on the sideline.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Starting Kamario against Mizzou should be a no brainer. Shapen took a huge hit Saturday and he will not be anywhere near 100% by Saturday.

I also like Kamario's skills to offset this Mizzou defense. Our OL is too beat up and sloppy to give an injured Shapen enough time to make a pass.

Kamario in the game means you have to spy him. That's an extra hat not in coverage on someone. We could get Fluff or Booth in the flat potentially uncovered.

Then I hope it is Booth. Fluff has trouble catching the ball. I do agree that starting Kamario is a no brainer with a potentially not 100% Shapen. I also think QB run could be an important part of the gameplan on Saturday.

[msstate7]

Did anyone hear about Blake's condition? He didn't appear in distress when they showed him standing on the sideline.

Coulda been a coach taking advantage of a chance to keep his starter from being totally destroyed and getting your young qb some snaps.

[msstate7]

Missouri leads the sec in rushing offense; we're 15th in rush defense. I hate this matchup

[EdwardDrayton]

Then I hope it is Booth. Fluff has trouble catching the ball. I do agree that starting Kamario is a no brainer with a potentially not 100% Shapen. I also think QB run could be an important part of the gameplan on Saturday.

I do think QB run should be used. But Missouri's defense is aggressive, physical and often tight to the LOS. We're going to have to successfully pass the ball to make the run game effective. We can do that if Blake is healthy. If not, we'll have to hope KT starts hitting his targets more frequently. Otherwise it will be a long day.

[Goldendawg]

I do not disagree. We have to do something to combat our stadium being taken over by literally EVERY SEC fanbase that we play. Because I doubt season ticket sales will be any better this offseason to combat some of that issue. Because let me tell you, it may have started as faculty selling their tickets, but it is WAY more than faculty now.

Until we start winning consistently, there will be thousands of tickets available. Heck, there were 3 GA fans on the row behind us in section 4 at very low rows. My hardcore five year old niece admonished me for speaking to them!***

[StarkVegasSteve]

I do think QB run should be used. But Missouri's defense is aggressive, physical and often tight to the LOS. We're going to have to successfully pass the ball to make the run game effective. We can do that if Blake is healthy. If not, we'll have to hope KT starts hitting his targets more frequently. Otherwise it will be a long day.

We are in a shit situation no matter which way you look at it.

Option 1: Play a, potentially, not 100% Shapen with a battered O Line against a team that likes to blitz.

Option 2: Play a true Freshman in his first true start on the road in a really tough environment. That Freshman is more mobile, which helps with the OL issues, but he is less accurate.

[EdwardDrayton]

Missouri leads the sec in rushing offense; we're 15th in rush defense. I hate this matchup

Yes, however their fresh boy QB is playing now and doesn't throw the ball well. So we will able to focus more on their run game.

[EdwardDrayton]

We are in a shit situation no matter which way you look at it.

Option 1: Play a, potentially, not 100% Shapen with a battered O Line against a team that likes to blitz.

Option 2: Play a true Freshman in his first true start on the road in a really tough environment. That Freshman is more mobile, which helps with the OL issues, but he is less accurate.

Lord, how many times in our history have we had the thought if only we could combine the two skill sets into one. Oy vey. I think eventually it can be KT. But that doesn't help us in a week. And, yes, the OL. <sigh>

[tcdog70]

We each know where the other stands on this subject so no point in belaboring. Let's get back to being MSU fans together and talking how we get a sixth win and bowl eligible in the next two games.

Let?s don?t overlook the fact our Coach died, we made huge mistake with Arnett. Then we hire Lebby, I like him but he has a long way to go with his in game Coaching. He keeps making head scratching decisions. We should already be bowl bound. The truth is we are getting out coached during the game. When you are playing #5 and have a chance to cut their lead to 1 score you don?t go on 4th and 4 . That fired up GA and took our fans out of the game. If Lebby learns how to Coach and we don?t go 0 for 15 in the SEC then our fans will come back.

[PGHBulldogBG]

I am way more disappointed in our fans than the game, the team or Lebby. Overall, they have exceeded expectations this year. Not only did we get some wins against ASU and a road SEC win at Arky who honestly isn?t as bad as this record indicates but we have been competitive against every team we have played outside the top 5. It?s one thing to not show up which is bad enough but the fact these visiting fans are buying these tickets is absolutely embarrassing and unacceptable. Everyone I?ve talked to not familiar with state who watched the game was cringing and we basically make all our home games just another home game for other teams. It is a joke and the reason I have no confidence we would ever get to the playoffs even with Saban coaching us

[bulldawg28]

Great analysis with the exception KT has accuracy problems. He's getting thrown into games with no opportunity of scripted plays as Shapen to settle into the game. However, once he relaxes as he always does he's game on. Everything about KT is upside in comparison against Shapen. We should use him the exact way A&M is using their Qb. KT is twice the passer he is and will only get better.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Great analysis with the exception KT has accuracy problems. He's getting thrown into games with no opportunity of scripted plays as Shapen to settle into the game. However, once he relaxes as he always does he's game on. Everything about KT is upside in comparison against Shapen. We should use him the exact way A&M is using their Qb. KT is twice the passer he is and will only get better.

Dude come on…..Reed is better in every facet of the game right now. First off, he is faster than Kamario. He also is more accurate. The faster is just god given ability. Kamario can work on the accuracy. He was inaccurate at all 3 levels yesterday. He was also accurate at 3 levels. So it is not so much an accuracy issue as a consistent accuracy issue. If he is the starter next week, we will do what A&M did last year with Reed. We will take out a lot of the deep shots and put in quick hitters where he makes one read and if that read is not WIDE ASS OPEN you run. You do not have the luxury to bring him along slowly like A&M got to do with Reed last year. They were able to add more and more each week. We have to run what Kamario can run and roll with that.

[bulldawg28]

Dude come on…..Reed is better in every facet of the game right now. First off, he is faster than Kamario. He also is more accurate. The faster is just god given ability. Kamario can work on the accuracy. He was inaccurate at all 3 levels yesterday. He was also accurate at 3 levels. So it is not so much an accuracy issue as a consistent accuracy issue. If he is the starter next week, we will do what A&M did last year with Reed. We will take out a lot of the deep shots and put in quick hitters where he makes one read and if that read is not WIDE ASS OPEN you run. You do not have the luxury to bring him along slowly like A&M got to do with Reed last year. They were able to add more and more each week. We have to run what Kamario can run and roll with that.

You're starting to sound like a hater. I doubt seriously he's faster. Reed has progressed as he should. However, KT is just as accurate and run the same offense right now.

[Ranchdawg]

If KT is the starting QB the next two games he will not be allowed to develop because he does not have offense line that is half way decent. He will not have time to make reads, he won’t have time to throw, he won’t be able to hand off because Oline can not block good enough for any resemblance of a running game and the rest of his snaps will be him running for his life. If Lebby doesn’t get some Oline in the portal we will look just like this year. SAD!

[Todd4State]

The right answer is to start Shapen and when he gets cold or knocked out you bring in KT.

Unless Shapen is out because of injury and in that case the decision is made for us.

[Todd4State]

If KT is the starting QB the next two games he will not be allowed to develop because he does not have offense line that is half way decent. He will not have time to make reads, he won’t have time to throw, he won’t be able to hand off because Oline can not block good enough for any resemblance of a running game and the rest of his snaps will be him running for his life. If Lebby doesn’t get some Oline in the portal we will look just like this year. SAD!

I'm 99% sure that both lines will be a point of emphasis for us in the portal this offseason.

[Ranchdawg]

I'm 99% sure that both lines will be a point of emphasis for us in the portal this offseason.

I damn sure hope so!

[StarkVegasSteve]

You're starting to sound like a hater. I doubt seriously he's faster. Reed has progressed as he should. However, KT is just as accurate and run the same offense right now.

I am not a hater. I think the kid is going to be great for us. But I see these expectations people are placing on him and I know they are not realistic. Also, Reed is faster. Reed was clocked at around 21 mph in full pads on a run this year. That is ROLLING. Reed is also in Year 2 of the Colin Klein system. Kamario has not had a full year in this system. They are not comparable. A more apt comparison would be Joe Milton in his first and second years in this same offense. Both physically imposing guys who have massive arm talent with accuracy issues from a consistency standpoint.

[tcdog70]

I am not a hater. I think the kid is going to be great for us. But I see these expectations people are placing on him and I know they are not realistic. Also, Reed is faster. Reed was clocked at around 21 mph in full pads on a run this year. That is ROLLING. Reed is also in Year 2 of the Colin Klein system. Kamario has not had a full year in this system. They are not comparable. A more apt comparison would be Joe Milton in his first and second years in this same offense. Both physically imposing guys who have massive arm talent with accuracy issues from a consistency standpoint.

I would think Bulldog 28 probably knows what He is talking about. Quit being so negative on every post about KT and you won’t sound like a hater. Hell, Stevie Wondef can see Shapen is a loser.He makes our OL look worse than they are. What is it Shapen does that you think is so great?