Grounded perspective

[StarkVegasSteve]

I just posted one that was cheap. Lane found one.

And if Lebby would have brought in a D2 kid people like you would have mutinied and said he had no clue what he was doing. You have made up your mind on Lebby just like you did on Jans.

[msstate7]

And if Lebby would have brought in a D2 kid people like you would have mutinied and said he had no clue what he was doing. You have made up your mind on Lebby just like you did on Jans.

He has 5 more chances to prove me wrong. Maybe he will. Hopefully he will.

[Coach34]

What was the deal for Arnold that we had lined up?

We promised Arnold $1MM. Auburn doubled it

[StarkVegasSteve]

He has 5 more chances to prove me wrong. Maybe he will. Hopefully he will.

I believe he will. I think we find a way to 6. Lebby called a hell of a game yesterday and Shapen has shown the ability to hit the deep ball. Those will not be incompletions every time. I actually think our offense is going to give Texas all sorts of issues.

[msstate7]

I believe he will. I think we find a way to 6. Lebby called a hell of a game yesterday and Shapen has shown the ability to hit the deep ball. Those will not be incompletions every time. I actually think our offense is going to give Texas all sorts of issues.

Now that will be very surprising. This will be the best defense we've saw this season by far

[StarkVegasSteve]

Now that will be very surprising. This will be the best defense we've saw this season by far

We gave them issues last year too and had far worse offensive line. And I think they had a slightly better defense. The deep shots were there last year, our receivers just dropped two of them.

[msstate7]

We gave them issues last year too and had far worse offensive line. And I think they had a slightly better defense. The deep shots were there last year, our receivers just dropped two of them.

Better give him time. Texas gets after the qb

[StarkVegasSteve]

Better give him time. Texas gets after the qb

They do. But I know Lebby will have a great game plan. Hell he had an incredible game plan yesterday, we just missed 3 throws.

[msstate7]

They do. But I know Lebby will have a great game plan. Hell he had an incredible game plan yesterday, we just missed 3 throws.

And he handled tenn's pressure pretty well. aTm completed dominated us with their pressure

[confucius say]

Dan Mullen won 7 SEC games in his first 2 years. If Lebby was on pace for that, we could forgive a few coaching mistakes and there.

He also took over a roster in 2009 full of nfl guys.
Lebby took over a dumpster fire.

[bulldawg28]

If only there were a way to get a different qb this past offseason

Lebby let our answer for Qb this year leave for LSU. The true freshman last year played better than our 6th year senior has this year.

[bulldawg28]

We promised Arnold $1MM. Auburn doubled it

Thank God because he's not worth it.

[parabrave]

Lebby let our answer for Qb this year leave for LSU. The true freshman last year played better than our 6th year senior has this year.

And Kelley keeps on trotting out a wounded duck every week who can't throw with any velocity nor run instead of MVB who has starting experience.

[Bothrops]

Look I am not happy. We should be 6-1 right now and in the thick of SEC championship conversation. But we are not, and it sucks. We are 4-3 and it sucks. It sucks losing in a manner than you know you should have won. It sucks knowing what we had potential to do and seeing what we will probably become reality.

Those of you calling for Lebby to be fired seem to forget all the just stupid and ridiculous boneheaded things Mullen did. LSU in 2015 ring a bell, we just couldn't call a timeout. That's one ridiculous example that you guys would be railing Lebby for and Dan was 7 years into his head coaching career.

Yeah. I'm irritated and disappointed and frustrated.

But, what I see is a team that doesn't know how to put their foot on someone's throat and kick it in, what I see is a team that is tremendously hampered by a QB that for reason I don't know cannot hit his target like he should 7 games into the seasons. We should have gone into halftime 21/28-10. If not more, I think they would have quit.

What you guys aren't seeing is coaches putting the players in position to win and then just not winning. That's talent, focus whatever you want to put it on.

What you are seeing is the drudge of a roster still being turned over.

Did you guys forget that Mullen wouldn't play a younger player to save his life. And you guys are mad at a second year coach playing a guy that has won a lot of money to play, and you are mad at him for that.

What you are mad at is seeing a 2-10 team a season ago that is a few terrible plays away from being 6-1 and it sucks.

Sometimes it just sucks. We have to be better at QB moving forward. I hope and pray Shapen can land that long ball soon we can win some freaking games if he does.

Also, don't forget what Lebby and co have done on the defensive side of the ball. That's crazy.

Give it time.

I'm not giving up on Lebby yet, I just don't know if anyone can win here (that we could get) in post BCS college football. I have serious doubts. The money has already gotten retarded and the competition embraces that. We don't, and that's a problem. It's a cultural thing with us. It's reckless, it's flashy, and the whole NIL era is dishonest. We have to spend 25-30 million dollars for a bowl worthy roster every season now. I'm I wrong? Have you seen the high school recruits from Mississippi lately? Like the top 20? Yeah, they lost interest in us awfully fast.

[Maverick91]

I'm not giving up on Lebby yet, I just don't know if anyone can win here (that we could get) in post BCS college football. I have serious doubts. The money has already gotten retarded and the competition embraces that. We don't, and that's a problem. It's a cultural thing with us. It's reckless, it's flashy, and the whole NIL era is dishonest. We have to spend 25-30 million dollars for a bowl worthy roster every season now. I'm I wrong? Have you seen the high school recruits from Mississippi lately? Like the top 20? Yeah, they lost interest in us awfully fast.

I don't disagree with you at all. To save the sport and honestly culture in general legislation has to be passed to rain this in. It's the Wild West. This is the type of mess that destroyed Rome, and is destroying college football. You can only ask middle income America to watch kids for so long who haven't proven anything, do nothing while earning more money than a lot will touch in our lifetime before the needs of the family and life itself overtakes the itch of dying enjoyment of Saturday sports.

There's a reason why John Adam's said our nation was only built for a moral and religious people. Not saying any of these folks are not moral and religious, but we have clearly flipped the table on its head for the purpose of college athletics, and it is only about money now. There is nothing in the education, coaches cannot really coach and teach these kids life lessons now for fear of jumping in the portal.

It is a disgusting destruction of what was the last beauty of amateur sports.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don't disagree with you at all. To save the sport and honestly culture in general legislation has to be passed to rain this in. It's the Wild West. This is the type of mess that destroyed Rome, and is destroying college football. You can only ask middle income America to watch kids for so long who haven't proven anything, do nothing while earning more money than a lot will touch in our lifetime before the needs of the family and life itself overtakes the itch of dying enjoyment of Saturday sports.

There's a reason why John Adam's said our nation was only built for a moral and religious people. Not saying any of these folks are not moral and religious, but we have clearly flipped the table on its head for the purpose of college athletics, and it is only about money now. There is nothing in the education, coaches cannot really coach and teach these kids life lessons now for fear of jumping in the portal.

It is a disgusting destruction of what was the last beauty of amateur sports.

Players have been getting paid since the beginning of college athletics, and that includes at Mississippi State. Dak was paid a pretty good sum to stay his senior year. Chris Jones had a monthly allowance. Bear Wilson was paid and let EVERYONE know. The payments are just legal and above the table now. That's literally the only difference.

[msstate7]

Players have been getting paid since the beginning of college athletics, and that includes at Mississippi State. Dak was paid a pretty good sum to stay his senior year. Chris Jones had a monthly allowance. Bear Wilson was paid and let EVERYONE know. The payments are just legal and above the table now. That's literally the only difference.

Only difference, huh? Yeah, free agency every year is nothing new

[StarkVegasSteve]

Only difference, huh? Yeah, free agency every year is nothing new

I mean players have always been able to transfer as well. And some were even paid to transfer. The immediate eligibility thing is where they screwed up. If they would just revert back to one free transfer and then you have to sit out I think things would calm down some.

[msstate7]

I mean players have always been able to transfer as well. And some were even paid to transfer. The immediate eligibility thing is where they screwed up. If they would just revert back to one free transfer and then you have to sit out I think things would calm down some.

They went from the following...

Players have leverage in recruiting and schools have leverage once you sign. Now players have leverage at all times. Unless you have a check on the players, the system will fail at some point

[StarkVegasSteve]

They went from the following...

Players have leverage in recruiting and schools have leverage once you sign. Now players have leverage at all times. Unless you have a check on the players, the system will fail at some point

None of what you've said is wrong. The pendulum swung far too much to the players side and they are not going to let it go back. Why would they? I wouldn't if before I was making a couple grand a month to know making 5-10K a month. We have PLAYERS living in the nicest subdivisions in Starkville.