Grounded perspective

[Maverick91]

Look I am not happy. We should be 6-1 right now and in the thick of SEC championship conversation. But we are not, and it sucks. We are 4-3 and it sucks. It sucks losing in a manner than you know you should have won. It sucks knowing what we had potential to do and seeing what we will probably become reality.

Those of you calling for Lebby to be fired seem to forget all the just stupid and ridiculous boneheaded things Mullen did. LSU in 2015 ring a bell, we just couldn't call a timeout. That's one ridiculous example that you guys would be railing Lebby for and Dan was 7 years into his head coaching career.

Yeah. I'm irritated and disappointed and frustrated.

But, what I see is a team that doesn't know how to put their foot on someone's throat and kick it in, what I see is a team that is tremendously hampered by a QB that for reason I don't know cannot hit his target like he should 7 games into the seasons. We should have gone into halftime 21/28-10. If not more, I think they would have quit.

What you guys aren't seeing is coaches putting the players in position to win and then just not winning. That's talent, focus whatever you want to put it on.

What you are seeing is the drudge of a roster still being turned over.

Did you guys forget that Mullen wouldn't play a younger player to save his life. And you guys are mad at a second year coach playing a guy that has won a lot of money to play, and you are mad at him for that.

What you are mad at is seeing a 2-10 team a season ago that is a few terrible plays away from being 6-1 and it sucks.

Sometimes it just sucks. We have to be better at QB moving forward. I hope and pray Shapen can land that long ball soon we can win some freaking games if he does.

Also, don't forget what Lebby and co have done on the defensive side of the ball. That's crazy.

Give it time.

[Quaoarsking]

Dan Mullen won 7 SEC games in his first 2 years. If Lebby was on pace for that, we could forgive a few coaching mistakes and there.

[Todd4State]

Dan Mullen won 7 SEC games in his first 2 years. If Lebby was on pace for that, we could forgive a few coaching mistakes and there.

Dan also didn't take over for Arnett. Croom left our program in decent shape.

[Quaoarsking]

Dan also didn't take over for Arnett. Croom left our program in decent shape.

Sure, but it was pretty obvious by end of Dan Mullen's first season that he was going to be a good coach for us. Not a perfect one, but a good one, and he proved even more by the midpoint of year 2.

Lebby hasn't done anything like that, not even close. I still have hope that he figures it out, but he just hasn't given us any reason for optimism like Mullen did.

[Coursesuper]

Dan Mullen won 7 SEC games in his first 2 years. If Lebby was on pace for that, we could forgive a few coaching mistakes and there.

Dan came into some talent, this staff came into none. It is an apples and watermelon difference.

[Quaoarsking]

Dan came into some talent, this staff came into none. It is an apples and watermelon difference.

And this year, when we have the talent to be 6-1 but Lebby's coaching got us to 4-3 instead? Should we be happy that he didn't also blow the Arizona State game? Or that this year he didn't get his ass kicked by a MAC team?

Look, I hope that Lebby wins a couple more games this year and turns out to be a long-term successful coach for us. I'm just not seeing any reason through 19 games to think he will. Maybe he'll start proving me wrong this Saturday.

[DawgFromOxford]

Coming into the season I thought we would finish 5-7 most likely. 4-8 at worst, 7-5 at best. So we are right about where I thought we would be with games against Texas, Arkansas, and OM still to go. 3 games that I think we have a chance at winning.

I get being mad that we lost 2 games we had the potential to win but I don?t remember anybody predicting us to start the season 6-1. Lebby had some questionable play calls at times but every coach does, and they get magnified in a loss. He also had game winning play calls dialed up and Shapen didn?t execute.

The offense reminds me of our basketball team a couple of years ago where we lived and died on the Josh Hubbard 3. Currently we live and die on Shapen?s deep ball to score or get us in scoring range.

[Maverick91]

And this year, when we have the talent to be 6-1 but Lebby's coaching got us to 4-3 instead? Should we be happy that he didn't also blow the Arizona State game? Or that this year he didn't get his ass kicked by a MAC team?

Look, I hope that Lebby wins a couple more games this year and turns out to be a long-term successful coach for us. I'm just not seeing any reason through 19 games to think he will. Maybe he'll start proving me wrong this Saturday.

I disagree with your first paragraph. Lebby has called the right plays to be 6-1 Shapen has missed the balls that shouldn't have been missed, hand off instead of scoop and score against Tennessee, and the three terrible TD throws last night. The plays were dialed up correctly. Shapen didn't execute.

[msstate7]

I disagree with your first paragraph. Lebby has called the right plays to be 6-1 Shapen has missed the balls that shouldn't have been missed, hand off instead of scoop and score against Tennessee, and the three terrible TD throws last night. The plays were dialed up correctly. Shapen didn't execute.

If only there were a way to get a different qb this past offseason

[Coursesuper]

And this year, when we have the talent to be 6-1 but Lebby's coaching got us to 4-3 instead? Should we be happy that he didn't also blow the Arizona State game? Or that this year he didn't get his ass kicked by a MAC team?

Look, I hope that Lebby wins a couple more games this year and turns out to be a long-term successful coach for us. I'm just not seeing any reason through 19 games to think he will. Maybe he'll start proving me wrong this Saturday.

No, we do not have the players yet. If we did we would be 6-1. We are still missing players in order to win right now, mainly at QB and on the DL. But we are vastly improved and the players are in position to make plays but it?s not happening yet. I feel like it?s going to happen just not on many folks around here?s timeline.

[Quaoarsking]

If only there were a way to get a different qb this past offseason

Lebby tried pretty hard to get a big name QB transfer and failed. In hindsight, it should have been a huge red flag.

Edit - To be fair, that failure is probably a function of our NIL not being good enough than on Lebby personally though.

[msstate7]

Lebby tried pretty hard to get a big name QB transfer and failed. In hindsight, it should have been a huge red flag.

Edit - To be fair, that failure is probably a function of our NIL not being good enough than on Lebby personally though.

There's guys out there. OM found one in D2 that can run lane's offense

[msstate7]

We basically need a guy that move the chains with his legs and hit the hr ball. I woulda preferred keeping MVB over Shapen and Luke

[DEDawg]

If only there were a way to get a different qb this past offseason

Write the check

[Quaoarsking]

We basically need a guy that move the chains with his legs and hit the hr ball. I woulda preferred keeping MVB over Shapen and Luke

I've heard that MVB primarily left because we were pursuing Jackson Arnold instead of committing to him, but then we ended up with neither. If that's true, that's really frustrating.

[DEDawg]

We basically need a guy that move the chains with his legs and hit the hr ball. I woulda preferred keeping MVB over Shapen and Luke

1.2M for MVB. Shapen and Luke making 600k. Write the check for the difference.

[DEDawg]

I've heard that MVB primarily left because we were pursuing Jackson Arnold instead of committing to him, but then we ended up with neither. If that's true, that's really frustrating.

MVB left because we would not pay him 1.2. This is the world we live in now.

[msstate7]

1.2M for MVB. Shapen and Luke making 600k. Write the check for the difference.

What was the deal for Arnold that we had lined up?

[DEDawg]

What was the deal for Arnold that we had lined up?

Not 2M that AU gave him

[msstate7]

Not 2M that AU gave him

It wasn't 600k either