Sunday Morning QB With SVS-Pain Is Part Of The Process

[basedog]

With State, pain is always a part of the process. I'm ready for the meds to kick in.

I feel your pain, but I am kinda use to dealing with pain now days!

[basedog]

Shapen needs to stop playing like a *****.

And I'll say this- we're close. And when that win comes it's probably coming in Starkville. Not on the road. And if you look at the rest of the SEC most of the games are one possession games. We're right there with everyone else even though one hasn't went our way yet.

Exactly how I feel, close but can't figure how to close things out. Again, the positive is we have been ib every game, depth has hurt us as have injuries. Not doubt QB play has to make the key plays and be more consistent. Seeing our receivers wide open and not getting the ball is bad. Man our defense never quits so far, they are pretty dang tough in the red zone.

[shoeless joe]

Lebby deserves credit for what he's built and the offensive scheme. That game was there for the taking no question about it. when we went up 7-3 then they went three and out they were done. shapen hits thompson for the TD and we roll. but then we had another chance and another chance and another chance. that was the ultimate "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" game i've ever witnessed. i did not hate tryin to gain a little more on the last drive. i did hate throwing it to no one but a 300 pound D lineman.

however, there are some things that are definitely on lebby. mainly, the fact that neither of the QBs seem to do the reading part of the read option. on the KT possession if we give on either 3rd or 4th down we move the chains. several times late if shapen gives we have huge plays. the end is crashing to the QB and we keep it and get nothing. that's on Lebby. I would like to see us hire a veteran coach to help with in game situation stuff in the future. Like a bench coach in baseball.

[basedog]

Lebby deserves credit for what he's built and the offensive scheme. That game was there for the taking no question about it. when we went up 7-3 then they went three and out they were done. shapen hits thompson for the TD and we roll. but then we had another chance and another chance and another chance. that was the ultimate "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" game i've ever witnessed. i did not hate tryin to gain a little more on the last drive. i did hate throwing it to no one but a 300 pound D lineman.

however, there are some things that are definitely on lebby. mainly, the fact that neither of the QBs seem to do the reading part of the read option. on the KT possession if we give on either 3rd or 4th down we move the chains. several times late if shapen gives we have huge plays. the end is crashing to the QB and we keep it and get nothing. that's on Lebby. I would like to see us hire a veteran coach to help with in game situation stuff in the future. Like a bench coach in baseball.

I agree

[StarkVegasSteve]

Lebby deserves credit for what he's built and the offensive scheme. That game was there for the taking no question about it. when we went up 7-3 then they went three and out they were done. shapen hits thompson for the TD and we roll. but then we had another chance and another chance and another chance. that was the ultimate "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" game i've ever witnessed. i did not hate tryin to gain a little more on the last drive. i did hate throwing it to no one but a 300 pound D lineman.

however, there are some things that are definitely on lebby. mainly, the fact that neither of the QBs seem to do the reading part of the read option. on the KT possession if we give on either 3rd or 4th down we move the chains. several times late if shapen gives we have huge plays. the end is crashing to the QB and we keep it and get nothing. that's on Lebby. I would like to see us hire a veteran coach to help with in game situation stuff in the future. Like a bench coach in baseball.

I went back and watched his possession, he should've given it AT LEAST twice on his 3 plays. We easily move the chains on either. That is, again, why he is just not ready. He can't make the read that fast so his default is just keep it. Now add in to that the RPO element of also having to throw it quickly......he can't do that. He's just not ready. He can do what we're currently asking him to do.

[basedog]

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[Coach34]

I went back and watched his possession, he should've given it AT LEAST twice on his 3 plays. We easily move the chains on either. That is, again, why he is just not ready. He can't make the read that fast so his default is just keep it. Now add in to that the RPO element of also having to throw it quickly......he can't do that. He's just not ready. He can do what we're currently asking him to do.

Yes- he gives it on either of those and we get the 1st down. Further showing that he is not ready to play yet

One thing I'm enjoying is that we have WR's that are running open. That means we have a good successful scheme. Now having the pieces to execute at a high level becomes the hard part. We can all be disappointed in Shapen and his execution- but he is the best we have. KT is simply not ready

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yes- he gives it on either of those and we get the 1st down. Further showing that he is not ready to play yet

One thing I'm enjoying is that we have WR's that are running open. That means we have a good successful scheme. Now having the pieces to execute at a high level becomes the hard part. We can all be disappointed in Shapen and his execution- but he is the best we have. KT is simply not ready

Same. I cannot remember the last time I remember MULTIPLE State receivers that are running open. Like you said, Shapen is the best we have. Kamario just isn't ready. And that's ok! He's a Freshman. He's not expected to be ready. He's not Bryce Underwood. I think some people have revisionist history on Dak is first two years.

[tcdog70]

i want to see with my own eyes that KT is not ready. Hell , he scored our first TD. he looked pretty damn ready. he has only thrown it once and it was a TD. if we have to trim our playbook-so what. If he is doubt haul ass. Shapen just sucks. Coaches can talk to KT (through his helmet) right up to the snap. Shapen too may times doesn't even let his Wideouts get set, He holds it too long, he overthrows a 4.2 wr, he falls down if you touch Him. Shit let's go with our future. hell let the Fla St guy try. Shapen just aint it.

[Coach34]

i want to see with my own eyes that KT is not ready. Hell , he scored our first TD. he looked pretty damn ready. he has only thrown it once and it was a TD. if we have to trim our playbook-so what. If he is doubt haul ass. Shapen just sucks. Coaches can talk to KT (through his helmet) right up to the snap. Shapen too may times doesn't even let his Wideouts get set, He holds it too long, he overthrows a 4.2 wr, he falls down if you touch Him. Shit let's go with our future. hell let the Fla St guy try. Shapen just aint it.

No they cant. The coach is cut off at 15 seconds left on the play clock

He showed you he wasnt ready when he turned the ball over on downs. The fact the coaches wont let him throw a pass except vs Alcorn should also tell you something

[Coursesuper]

Same. I cannot remember the last time I remember MULTIPLE State receivers that are running open. Like you said, Shapen is the best we have. Kamario just isn't ready. And that's ok! He's a Freshman. He's not expected to be ready. He's not Bryce Underwood. I think some people have revisionist history on Dak is first two years.

Exactly, I can't understand why it's so hard to grasp that if the kid was ready he would be on the field. How can anyone think that any coach would not put the player that gives them the best chance to win the game on the field. Coaches are judged by wins and losses period.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Exactly, I can't understand why it's so hard to grasp that if the kid was ready he would be on the field. How can anyone think that any coach would not put the player that gives them the best chance to win the game on the field. Coaches are judged by wins and losses period.

Because Kamario is from Mississippi and that automatically makes him better. That is it. That is the reason. If Luke Kromenhoek was from Saltillo, MS instead of Savannah, GA our fans would be saying the same thing. If Kamario Taylor was from Marietta, GA instead of Macon, MS no one would say a thing. And look, it is great that he is from MS and I want him to succeed. But I do not give rats ass if he is from Macon or Missoula. And for like the 200th time, HE IS NOT READY. You can see it. He got a false start penalty against A&M because he changed the cadence up. He missed two zone reads against Florida that both go for first downs because he does not know how to make the read that quickly. It is not a bad thing either or means that he is a bust. He just is not ready. Dak literally did the same thing his true freshman year. We were all screaming for Mullen to let him throw it and he did not trust him to make the reads to throw it.

[Maverick91]

I went back and watched his possession, he should've given it AT LEAST twice on his 3 plays. We easily move the chains on either. That is, again, why he is just not ready. He can't make the read that fast so his default is just keep it. Now add in to that the RPO element of also having to throw it quickly......he can't do that. He's just not ready. He can do what we're currently asking him to do.

I was saying the same thing live. What pisses me off most is when Shapen came in and did the EXACT SAME THING instead of handing off. I flipped my lid, like where there not coaches in his ear saying "they are crashing hand the ball off" like what the heck. That's on the coaches and Shapen.

[Goldendawg]

Because Kamario is from Mississippi and that automatically makes him better. That is it. That is the reason. If Luke Kromenhoek was from Saltillo, MS instead of Savannah, GA our fans would be saying the same thing. If Kamario Taylor was from Marietta, GA instead of Macon, MS no one would say a thing. And look, it is great that he is from MS and I want him to succeed. But I do not give rats ass if he is from Macon or Missoula. And for like the 200th time, HE IS NOT READY. You can see it. He got a false start penalty against A&M because he changed the cadence up. He missed two zone reads against Florida that both go for first downs because he does not know how to make the read that quickly. It is not a bad thing either or means that he is a bust. He just is not ready. Dak literally did the same thing his true freshman year. We were all screaming for Mullen to let him throw it and he did not trust him to make the reads to throw it.

And 24 year old, five year (?) starter made an not so great read on a failed 4th down attempt also, didn't he? What bothered me more was Lebby calling the same type play 4 consecutive times in that offensive sequence.

[Coach34]

And 24 year old, five year (?) starter made an not so great read on a failed 4th down attempt also, didn't he? What bothered me more was Lebby calling the same type play 4 consecutive times in that offensive sequence.

Yes- the playcalling there left alot to be desired

[StarkVegasSteve]

And 24 year old, five year (?) starter made an not so great read on a failed 4th down attempt also, didn't he? What bothered me more was Lebby calling the same type play 4 consecutive times in that offensive sequence.

I don't disagree on that. I think he wanted Kamario to give it and that's why he was running the same play because those ends were crashing extremely hard. Doing the same thing with Shapen was stupid though, we agree on that.

[PGHBulldogBG]

And 24 year old, five year (?) starter made an not so great read on a failed 4th down attempt also, didn't he? What bothered me more was Lebby calling the same type play 4 consecutive times in that offensive sequence.

Honestly, I was more annoyed by that series than the pass play at the end of the game. That was completely baffling and to do the same thing on 4th down again. While the pass play was not a good call, this was a big turning point that really started to give UF momentum. We were 47 yards out for a field goal so I get trying to get the ball closer if you have time. Shapen just had a horrible day overall and that was the biggest contributing factor to the loss.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yes- the playcalling there left alot to be desired

I actually thought Jeff called a really good game, we just didn't execute about 5 of the plays.

I actually think an underrated and unmentioned turning point in the game is the Gayten fumble. We were driving to go up 14-10 right there.

[Coursesuper]

Because Kamario is from Mississippi and that automatically makes him better. That is it. That is the reason. If Luke Kromenhoek was from Saltillo, MS instead of Savannah, GA our fans would be saying the same thing. If Kamario Taylor was from Marietta, GA instead of Macon, MS no one would say a thing. And look, it is great that he is from MS and I want him to succeed. But I do not give rats ass if he is from Macon or Missoula. And for like the 200th time, HE IS NOT READY. You can see it. He got a false start penalty against A&M because he changed the cadence up. He missed two zone reads against Florida that both go for first downs because he does not know how to make the read that quickly. It is not a bad thing either or means that he is a bust. He just is not ready. Dak literally did the same thing his true freshman year. We were all screaming for Mullen to let him throw it and he did not trust him to make the reads to throw it.

Excellent explanation.

[Goldendawg]

No they cant. The coach is cut off at 15 seconds left on the play clock

He showed you he wasnt ready when he turned the ball over on downs. The fact the coaches wont let him throw a pass except vs Alcorn should also tell you something

Turned it over on downs? Shapen came in for fourth down and also made a bad read and tried to be the hero running it up the middle. Is that the series that you are referring to or did Karmario fial on another fourth down?