Arizona St Game

[confucius say]

Everything except RB and maybe TE? Their front 7 is the biggest gap followed by QB, secondary/WR then OL. Wish 247 would release their team talent composite earlier than they do.

Who on their DL is a big gap ahead of our DL? Same question for secondary and OL and WR. Below is their depth chart.

https://www.ourlads.com/ncaa-footbal...ole-miss/91602

[MrCoachKlein]

Who on their DL is a big gap ahead of our DL? Same question for secondary and OL and WR. Below is their depth chart.

https://www.ourlads.com/ncaa-footbal...ole-miss/91602

I'm not trying to be a downer just my opinion.

Going by ourlads starters, I'd take:
QB: OM
Simmons > Shapen - OM+

OL: OM - Going out on a limb and throwing Jimothy in there.
Lewis > Pounds - State +
Jackson > Townsend - State
Townsend > Keenum - OM
Kutas > Reese - OM +
Williams > Steen/Work - OM

WR: OM
Stribling > Mosley - OM +
Harrison > Thompson - OM
Evans > Lee - State +
You could argue the 4th between Williams and Odom, but Odom is younger, higher rated and OM has had a look at both and would seem to prefer Odom.

RB: STATE
Booth > Diggs - State +
Bothwell > Taylor - State ++

TE: STATE
Traore > Wright - State

DL: OM
Womack > Hibbler - OM ++
Harris > Burroughs - OM ++
Brown and Whitson may be a push
Umanmielen > Jennings/Sylla - OM + (counting standup edge as DL)

LB: OM
Dottery > Smith - OM
Perkins > Tillman - OM ++

DBs - This one may actually be a push.
Jones > Fletcher - State
Mitchell > Williams - State +
Ryan > Lanier - OM ++
Braxton > Brumfield/Lewis - OM +
Smith > Gushiken - State +


I count 14 OM wins to 9 for State (counted WR4). I gave a + for where I thought the talent was really out of wack on one side. 13 for OM and 7 for us in my not so informed opinion. Vegas, analyst and I'd argue realist agree that they are more talented though.

[confucius say]

What have you seen to think their DL guys are way better than our DL guys?
Same question with OL? Reese was voted the best lineman in the state.

[MrCoachKlein]

What have you seen to think their DL guys are way better than our DL guys?
Same question with OL? Reese was voted the best lineman in the state.

Just going by recruit/transfer ratings, NFL scout projections and my opinion. I'm sure I got some things wrong. Putting the RGs at even makes OL a push, so we have the advantage at RB & TE. Push OL & DBs.

[Hot Rock]

I am sitting here thinking 3 wins is going to be a popular choice. I have not read anything and then you may have a lot of 4 & 5 wins.

To me, it's 3 wins or flip a coin between 4, 5 & 6. Why? If they are good enough to win 4, then they are good enough to win 6 as they play several teams that are on the same level. ASU, TN, AR, MO, OM and even Fla if it's QB is limping. Hell, you could even say 7 wins if they get to 4 but if they are just somewhat improved, then it's 3 wins as there are only 3 teams on our schedule with less talent than State until proven otherwise. Beat just of those listed above and you can get one or even 3 more.

Best odds to be right is to say 3 wins. I am not. I am going 5 wins but that's a lot of wishful thinking in it but make no mistake, I will be excited if they get on a roll.

[Hot Rock]

I am of the opinion that we will not beat ASU...i hope i'm wrong.

That being said i keep seeing people throw out that "they were a playoff team last year"...and since i have lost a large portion of my college football enthusiasm due to the NIL and portal combination and don't keep up with it like i have in the past... my question is: if they had played a full SEC schedule would they have been a playoff team?

again...i get that their roster and probably talent level is greater than ours and us winning will be an upset, but them being a playoff team out of the pac10/big12 means very little to me.

Umm, had Texas on the ropes in the playoffs so maybe or maybe not but they could be even better this year. They still got most everyone back. Lost a couple but word is they will not miss them and includes Scattaboo who was a beast last year.

[Todd4State]

Umm, had Texas on the ropes in the playoffs so maybe or maybe not but they could be even better this year. They still got most everyone back. Lost a couple but word is they will not miss them and includes Scattaboo who was a beast last year.

I don't believe for a second that they won't miss Scattaboo. That would be like saying MSU won't miss Dak in 2016.

[Todd4State]

I'm not trying to be a downer just my opinion.

Going by ourlads starters, I'd take:
QB: OM
Simmons > Shapen - OM+

OL: OM - Going out on a limb and throwing Jimothy in there.
Lewis > Pounds - State +
Jackson > Townsend - State
Townsend > Keenum - OM
Kutas > Reese - OM +
Williams > Steen/Work - OM

WR: OM
Stribling > Mosley - OM +
Harrison > Thompson - OM
Evans > Lee - State +
You could argue the 4th between Williams and Odom, but Odom is younger, higher rated and OM has had a look at both and would seem to prefer Odom.

RB: STATE
Booth > Diggs - State +
Bothwell > Taylor - State ++

TE: STATE
Traore > Wright - State

DL: OM
Womack > Hibbler - OM ++
Harris > Burroughs - OM ++
Brown and Whitson may be a push
Umanmielen > Jennings/Sylla - OM + (counting standup edge as DL)

LB: OM
Dottery > Smith - OM
Perkins > Tillman - OM ++

DBs - This one may actually be a push.
Jones > Fletcher - State
Mitchell > Williams - State +
Ryan > Lanier - OM ++
Braxton > Brumfield/Lewis - OM +
Smith > Gushiken - State +


I count 14 OM wins to 9 for State (counted WR4). I gave a + for where I thought the talent was really out of wack on one side. 13 for OM and 7 for us in my not so informed opinion. Vegas, analyst and I'd argue realist agree that they are more talented though.

How can you have Simmons over Shapen? Shapen has done way more in his career.

[StarkVegasSteve]

How can you have Simmons over Shapen? Shapen has done way more in his career.

Because like everyone else he has bought into the narrative that one good drive against UGA means Simmons is going to be the best QB OM has ever had.

[confucius say]

Just going by recruit/transfer ratings, NFL scout projections and my opinion. I'm sure I got some things wrong. Putting the RGs at even makes OL a push, so we have the advantage at RB & TE. Push OL & DBs.

I just don't see any way you have Umaneilen as way better than Jennings on the edge. The former has had two years of below average production at Nebraska.
I also don't see how you have their DT way way better (you have 2 pluses) than ours. Their DT have proven nothing.

I think both rosters are very unproven. Their schedule is weaker. We will see come thanksgiving, but just looking at rosters the gap has closed considerably unless Simmons really is as good right now as Dart was last year like they and some on here think.

[Coach34]

How can you have Simmons over Shapen? Shapen has done way more in his career.

Simmons looked good when he has played and has been widely talked about how the gap between him and Dart wasnt much last year. Everybody also knows Shapen wont finish the season at QB or will miss significant time depending on when he gets hurt this year.

[Bothrops]

If we're out of sync offensively after a one possession in Hattiesburg it's probably going to be cemetery gates for the season and the future.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If we're out of sync offensively after a one possession in Hattiesburg it's probably going to be cemetery gates for the season and the future.

Most of the time the first 5-10 plays are extremely scripted. I will be interested to see what we look like after like the 2nd or 3rd possession. I also have a pretty good feeling USM is going to be beyond bad on defense so I really will worry if we can't move the ball with relative ease on them for most of the ballgame, especially on the ground.

[MrCoachKlein]

Because like everyone else he has bought into the narrative that one good drive against UGA means Simmons is going to be the best QB OM has ever had.

That's quite the stretch. As for Todd saying "How can you have Simmons over Shapen? Shapen has done way more in his career." That's like saying how can you have Arch over Shapen? Shapen has done way more in his career.

I think Simmons is a better prospect and Shapen will get hurt. Shapen may indeed look better than him this year since it's the kids 1st year starting. Go on and tell me you wouldn't swap Shapen for Simmons....

I hope I'm wrong bc GTHOM.

[smootness]

That's quite the stretch. As for Todd saying "How can you have Simmons over Shapen? Shapen has done way more in his career." That's like saying how can you have Arch over Shapen? Shapen has done way more in his career.

I think Simmons is a better prospect and Shapen will get hurt. Shapen may indeed look better than him this year since it's the kids 1st year starting. Go on and tell me you wouldn't swap Shapen for Simmons....

I hope I'm wrong bc GTHOM.

What are we basing his prospect status on? Because he and Shapen were almost identical coming out of HS. #35 QB and #36 QB

[MrCoachKlein]

What are we basing his prospect status on? Because he and Shapen were almost identical coming out of HS. #35 QB and #36 QB

1 is injured every year on his last year and the other has 4 years of eligibility left. Granted KT will most likely take over, but if they are as close as #35 & #36, give me the one that can play 4x as long.

[StarkVegasSteve]

That's quite the stretch. As for Todd saying "How can you have Simmons over Shapen? Shapen has done way more in his career." That's like saying how can you have Arch over Shapen? Shapen has done way more in his career.

I think Simmons is a better prospect and Shapen will get hurt. Shapen may indeed look better than him this year since it's the kids 1st year starting. Go on and tell me you wouldn't swap Shapen for Simmons....

I hope I'm wrong bc GTHOM.

Give the kid that has played for 4 years. Even DJU looked good for one game and we saw how the rest of his career turned out............