Football Depth Chart

[Todd4State]

Look at Mullen's LOS in his tenure. Best stretch in MSU history. I know you are a baseball guy but my goodness Stevie Wonder can see how good we were on LOS in those years.

Hah, I'd love to have some Charles Crosses now or anytime the last 4 years even if he wasn't the best.

The best stretch in MSU history was from 1996-2000.

I'd argue that we grossly underachieved in 2015 because of the o-line. They were a big reason why we lost the Egg Bowl in 2014-2015.

And even on the defensive side Dan only really started Chris Jones full time one year. Which is crazy. Things like that held us back under Dan big time.

[basedog]

As far as Msu football history goes, DM was one of our best coaches, regardless of any "faults" he had. I don't understand all the talk about him, he has been gone now and we are on our fourth HC now. As much talk about him wanting out especially those that bash Small town Stark Vegas, I don't see anything wrong with folks looking around for a better job in any occupation. Just saying but to each there own, I would love to have another run like DM had over his career at Msu.

[maroonmania]

We are in this predicament b/c of every single coach post Mullen. Every single one of them has contributed to the pile of shit Lebby was given. Leach wasn't the answer.

Yes, including Lebby himself with the ridiculous hire of a DC who had no credentials or qualifications to be an SEC DC just because of a personal relationship. I certainly hope the 'mentoring' help we are providing this year helps things on that side of the ball. You can only be as bad as we were last year on defense if the talent is bad AND the coaching is bad.

[basedog]

I think as far as young 1st year coaches, they don't have the connections with an experience HC. The thing about Lebby, he has o have learned a whole lot from last year or I hope he has. I'm noy sure what "we" fans expect from a young 1st time Coach when it was obvious the one before had a terrible staff BUt had a better group of players than what Lebby had. Just saying.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Leach had 3 years of impact. CZA didn't deplete the program in 9 months. Last time I checked, every team had to deal with Covid. Everyone knows Moorhead wrecked what Mullen built.

So everyone had to deal with covid and replacing a train wreck and going to the air raid when our best passers in school history at the ran the ball just about as much as they threw it? Come on dude

[TrapGame]

Yes, including Lebby himself with the ridiculous hire of a DC who had no credentials or qualifications to be an SEC DC just because of a personal relationship. I certainly hope the 'mentoring' help we are providing this year helps things on that side of the ball. You can only be as bad as we were last year on defense if the talent is bad AND the coaching is bad.

75% of the guys on defense last year should be playing for Millsaps or Prairie View. The defense actually started looking better by the end of the season. The offense had a true freshman with talent but made some bad decisions in the pocket. We had zero run game most of the season. That has been remedied. I would not be surprised if we have the Arizona State Effect next season due to our portal upgrades. I'm not saying we make the playoffs by any stretch but will be be greatly improved over last year.

[viverlibre]

75% of the guys on defense last year should be playing for Millsaps or Prairie View. The defense actually started looking better by the end of the season. The offense had a true freshman with talent but made some bad decisions in the pocket. We had zero run game most of the season. That has been remedied. I would not be surprised if we have the Arizona State Effect next season due to our portal upgrades. I'm not saying we make the playoffs by any stretch but will be be greatly improved over last year.

I think 5 wins will show good progress. For me the floor is 4 wins, if less than that, we have to seriously consider moving on from Levee. We have three (hopefully) automatic wins, to win 4 means beating ASU at home or Ark on the road. Do both and it's 5 wins, add an upset of OM or Misery and we're bowling and optimism is sky high.

[Todd4State]

As far as Msu football history goes, DM was one of our best coaches, regardless of any "faults" he had. I don't understand all the talk about him, he has been gone now and we are on our fourth HC now. As much talk about him wanting out especially those that bash Small town Stark Vegas, I don't see anything wrong with folks looking around for a better job in any occupation. Just saying but to each there own, I would love to have another run like DM had over his career at Msu.

No one is saying that Dan wasn't successful here. I'm very grateful for 2010 and 2014. But to act like everything was perfect under him and to act like it was never good before or after him as far as MSU football is concerned just simply isn't accurate.

[Todd4State]

75% of the guys on defense last year should be playing for Millsaps or Prairie View. The defense actually started looking better by the end of the season. The offense had a true freshman with talent but made some bad decisions in the pocket. We had zero run game most of the season. That has been remedied. I would not be surprised if we have the Arizona State Effect next season due to our portal upgrades. I'm not saying we make the playoffs by any stretch but will be be greatly improved over last year.

I could see us making a jump to 5-6 wins and then making a significant jump in 2026. I think that's similar to what happened at Arizona or Arizona State.

[basedog]

No one is saying that Dan wasn't successful here. I'm very grateful for 2010 and 2014. But to act like everything was perfect under him and to act like it was never good before or after him as far as MSU football is concerned just simply isn't accurate.

Never said he was perfect, my point was he was one of our best HC for football.

[TrapGame]

I could see us making a jump to 5-6 wins and then making a significant jump in 2026. I think that's similar to what happened at Arizona or Arizona State.

ASU was 2-10 or maybe 3-9 the year before and scored some good portal players to fill some holes.They went from an abysmal record to making the playoffs. I think we will be in a similar situation next season, just not making the playoff part. I think we can get 5-6 wins. Beating ASU will be huge even if they don't have Scooby Doo and some of those guys on defense from last year.

[TrapGame]

I think 5 wins will show good progress. For me the floor is 4 wins, if less than that, we have to seriously consider moving on from Levee. We have three (hopefully) automatic wins, to win 4 means beating ASU at home or Ark on the road. Do both and it's 5 wins, add an upset of OM or Misery and we're bowling and optimism is sky high.

We go 3-9 next year Lebby has to go, but I seriously doubt that happens.

[Dawgology]

We go 3-9 next year Lebby has to go, but I seriously doubt that happens.

I seriously think we go 2-10 again. Not hating it’s just that this program is cooked and we dont have donors or boosters interested enough to pay enough to win. They want to status quo. They want access to the program and to rub elbows with coaches, players, and other donors to make financial deals. It’s a glorified social club at that level and that’s as far as the interest goes. That combined with annually having one of the toughest schedules in the country is just a recipe for where we are and where we will stay. It’s unfortunate.

[Coach34]

ASU was 2-10 or maybe 3-9 the year before and scored some good portal players to fill some holes.They went from an abysmal record to making the playoffs. I think we will be in a similar situation next season, just not making the playoff part. I think we can get 5-6 wins. Beating ASU will be huge even if they don't have Scooby Doo and some of those guys on defense from last year.

ASU plays in the Big 12. We play in the SEC. Huge difference

[Coach34]

We go 3-9 next year Lebby has to go, but I seriously doubt that happens.

Why? What about our roster tells you we should win 5-6 games?

[TrapGame]

ASU plays in the Big 12. We play in the SEC. Huge difference

No shit, Sherlock.

Why? What about our roster tells you we should win 5-6 games?

I guess I'm optimist. I don't gloom and doom or think the worst is going to happen. Of course, positivity has frowned upon around here.

[Coach34]

I mean its great to have optimism. I wish I had some. But our roster is a lower level P5 roster. It is what it is. Lebby could do a great coaching job and still go 4-8.

Lose the Arizona State game- and we are facing 3-9 in the face. All of our semi-toss-up games are on the road.

[maroonmania]

No shit, Sherlock.



I guess I'm optimist. I don't gloom and doom or think the worst is going to happen. Of course, positivity has frowned upon around here.

Guess that really magnifies the craphole we are in when an 'optimist' thinks we could win 5 to 6 games.

[TrapGame]

I mean its great to have optimism. I wish I had some. But our roster is a lower level P5 roster. It is what it is. Lebby could do a great coaching job and still go 4-8.

Lose the Arizona State game- and we are facing 3-9 in the face. All of our semi-toss-up games are on the road.

Lose the ASU game and I'll be pissed. All 4 non-cons and 1 low fruit SEC team like Arkansas would be a good rebuilding year. There's some light at the end of the tunnel.

Guess that really magnifies the craphole we are in when an 'optimist' thinks we could win 5 to 6 games.

I'm an optimist not a delusional idiot. This program is in a hole.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I mean its great to have optimism. I wish I had some. But our roster is a lower level P5 roster. It is what it is. Lebby could do a great coaching job and still go 4-8.

Lose the Arizona State game- and we are facing 3-9 in the face. All of our semi-toss-up games are on the road.

But it is a P5 roster, we couldn't say that last year. So that gives me hope that we can get to 5-6 wins if we catch a team or two sleeping.