Weekend Thoughts From Yet Another Weekend Win over the Rebels

[Coursesuper]

I went to high school with him. He was a year ahead. He was a jerk then and a jerk now. We never ran in the same circles, but I recall him being my first encounter with entitlement. He was very aware at a young age that he came from money because of Daddy. Only sport I recall him playing in school was basketball. Average at best.

I have worked all over the south in my career, Atlanta, Birmingham the Emerald Coast, NOLA and a very short stint in the Jackson area. In my line of work, mainly at country clubs I have found the most entitled bunch to be in our fair state, and it’s not even close.

[Leroy Jenkins]

Exactly. One of the primary rules in this game. JUST. DON'T. GET. SWEPT.

Since the beginning of time the formula has been, win your home series and don't get swept on the road.

[The Federalist Engineer]

We don?t have to match Tenn $ to make a great hire.

That?s a good point- there are only 3.

We can be competitive without being #1.

If you pay 2M you want a 600 winning percentage in the SEC. That's Schloss and that's what he gets, roughly. Florida does not pay Sully 2M and he gives them 599 winning percentage. Corbin is 580 but that was largely built with the Scholarship Hack.

By the way, Lemons was 480. Cohen is 440. That damn JC was a sneaky kind of sorry coach. He's the bad employee that you wish would die on vacation. Polk was 560. Ray Tanner 602 in the SEC.

Skip Bertman was 673 and he hired Nick Saban and 5 NCs. Nobody can touch him. He has no peers. Smoke Laval won 594 in the SEC, he's trash in LSU. Would have been a legend in Starkville. John Cohen is like the anti Bertman, horrible coach and AD, but JC probably thinks he's competent.

[R2Dawg]

Fun fact- we have won as many series this year as Tenn

Funny huh. People got drunk on Vitello and UT. They have only been relevant for what 3-4 years in baseball?

[shoeless joe]

If you pay 2M you want a 600 winning percentage in the SEC. That's Schloss and that's what he gets, roughly. Florida does not pay Sully 2M and he gives them 599 winning percentage. Corbin is 580 but that was largely built with the Scholarship Hack.

By the way, Lemons was 480. Cohen is 440. That damn JC was a sneaky kind of sorry coach. He's the bad employee that you wish would die on vacation. Polk was 560. Ray Tanner 602 in the SEC.

Skip Bertman was 673 and he hired Nick Saban and 5 NCs. Nobody can touch him. He has no peers. Smoke Laval won 594 in the SEC, he's trash in LSU. Would have been a legend in Starkville. John Cohen is like the anti Bertman, horrible coach and AD, but JC probably thinks he's competent.

Cohen was a really good baseball coach. the dude knew the game, knew how to coach the game, knew the type of players it took to play the game the way he wanted it to be played. i'm of the hope that our next coach is someone from the same mold.

however bad he absolutely screwed everything else up during his AD tenure it doesn't take away from his job as our coach IMO.

[Santiago]

Cohen was a really good baseball coach. the dude knew the game, knew how to coach the game, knew the type of players it took to play the game the way he wanted it to be played. i'm of the hope that our next coach is someone from the same mold.

however bad he absolutely screwed everything else up during his AD tenure it doesn't take away from his job as our coach IMO.

Totally agree. Evaluate players with the mental toughness that embrace the Dude atmosphere and intimidate the other teams.
I am either way on all our coaches except I hope we have that mindset from a coach, similar to Cohen.
For that alone, I can see why Coggin is an option on the list. Plus everywhere he has coached, the teams saw instant success with portal and HS evaluation of talent. Cohen had a hunger for a NC, and we need a coach likewise again like that where they will cut throats to get it.

[AlSwearengen]

On Parker, he has caught some shit this year b/c of the staff and maybe rightfully so, maybe not. That said, he has connections to Team USA and if i'm remembering correctly, we have commitments from at least 2 top pitchers as a direct result of his relationship with them from Team USA. That carries weight and he wouldn't be there if he wasn't highly thought of.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Cohen was a really good baseball coach. the dude knew the game, knew how to coach the game, knew the type of players it took to play the game the way he wanted it to be played. i'm of the hope that our next coach is someone from the same mold.

however bad he absolutely screwed everything else up during his AD tenure it doesn't take away from his job as our coach IMO.

You want a coach that does not win games but talks like he won multiple conference and national titles?

A lot is made of how bad Polk II was but Polk II was better than following Serrano at Tennessee. 4 single Digit win seasons in 6 years but No sweat for Vitello. Butch inherited an Auburn program with 3 regionals in 10 years, has a better W% than Cohen and the same Omahas. Also better than Mings inheritance at UK, 2 regionals in 8 years prior.

If Winning and results are the prime measure. Cohen provided Butch (Auburn) and Mingione (Kentucky) results to MSU. One more Omaha than Ming but much fewer wins. All that with MSU facilities, fan base, tradition, and support.

[Cowbell]

On Parker, he has caught some shit this year b/c of the staff and maybe rightfully so, maybe not. That said, he has connections to Team USA and if i'm remembering correctly, we have commitments from at least 2 top pitchers as a direct result of his relationship with them from Team USA. That carries weight and he wouldn't be there if he wasn't highly thought of.

I hope that Parker is atleast retained for this reason.

[Todd4State]

You want a coach that does not win games but talks like he won multiple conference and national titles?

A lot is made of how bad Polk II was but Polk II was better than following Serrano at Tennessee. 4 single Digit win seasons in 6 years but No sweat for Vitello. Butch inherited an Auburn program with 3 regionals in 10 years, has a better W% than Cohen and the same Omahas. Also better than Mings inheritance at UK, 2 regionals in 8 years prior.

If Winning and results are the prime measure. Cohen provided Butch (Auburn) and Mingione (Kentucky) results to MSU. One more Omaha than Ming but much fewer wins. All that with MSU facilities, fan base, tradition, and support.

Are you counting Cohen's first two years at MSU because he literally took over MSU at it's lowest point and had the least support possible and a team that did not want to play for him with no portal to use to process the deadweight out.

And despite that he took MSU to the CWS finals just five years after being hired and his program was built so well and sustainable that it reached our standards from 2016-2021 despite massive coaching turnover.

[shoeless joe]

You want a coach that does not win games but talks like he won multiple conference and national titles?

A lot is made of how bad Polk II was but Polk II was better than following Serrano at Tennessee. 4 single Digit win seasons in 6 years but No sweat for Vitello. Butch inherited an Auburn program with 3 regionals in 10 years, has a better W% than Cohen and the same Omahas. Also better than Mings inheritance at UK, 2 regionals in 8 years prior.

If Winning and results are the prime measure. Cohen provided Butch (Auburn) and Mingione (Kentucky) results to MSU. One more Omaha than Ming but much fewer wins. All that with MSU facilities, fan base, tradition, and support.

not real sure what you are saying with some of this. cohen won games with the types of players he knew would win games. he recruited the guys he needed and won with them. when the ball changed it took him one year to make that adjustment then we won the SEC.

The team that IMO was the epitome of what cohen did here was the '11 team. after all the damage done by polk he got some absolute gritty dirt bags and was a few outs away from taking down an outstanding florida team and going to omaha. he had a multi inning closer that was 87-88 and an arm slot guy. good grief...those are the the type players that we need and that we've historically won with from a mindset and toughness standpoint.

[The Federalist Engineer]

not real sure what you are saying with some of this. cohen won games with the types of players he knew would win games. he recruited the guys he needed and won with them. when the ball changed it took him one year to make that adjustment then we won the SEC.

The team that IMO was the epitome of what cohen did here was the '11 team. after all the damage done by polk he got some absolute gritty dirt bags and was a few outs away from taking down an outstanding florida team and going to omaha. he had a multi inning closer that was 87-88 and an arm slot guy. good grief...those are the the type players that we need and that we've historically won with from a mindset and toughness standpoint.

But think about this ...

Butch Inherited 1 winning SEC seasons in 10 years at Auburn, averaged an 12-18 record.
Mingo Inherited 2 winning SEC seasons in 10 years at UK, average 13-17 record (Mingo has a 480 Winning % at UK and Cohen was 426 at Kentucky)
Cohen Inherited 5 winning SEC seasons in 10 years (1-Omaha and 3 Supers), average 15-15 record
Vitello Inherited 0 winning SEC seasons in 10 years, average 10-20 record

Who had the toughest situation to start? All these dudes have better winning records than Cohen.

Who had the better record at Kentucky?

I enjoyed MSU nearly beating Florida in the 2011 Super, still mad at my wife for making me stay for an in-law visit. Totally wasted weekend with people I don't even like. Cohen was 8-13 at one point that season and benefited from having Tennessee (the Mizzou of the 1990's) on the schedule for a cheap Sweep. Otherwise he does not make a post season and I was in Atlanta for Georgia Tech losing to Austin Peay and MSU was able to snake a Regional win because AP had great weekend. Good for Cohen, MSU, and me as a fan in Atlanta but Cohen was fortunate. I think GT even had a hurt ace, so great timing.

Then that 2013 regional in Starkville. Mercer, South Alabama, and Central Arkansas coming to town. A regional final versus Central Arkansas was pretty sweet as a draw for a 16-14 SEC team. Still had to win in Charlottesville, though.

I think its ok to celebrate the 2011 and 2013 post season miracles, but Cohen was going nowhere without those moments, it bought him time to 2016 and slipping into Administrative work. In fact, Lemons looks like Joe Torre and completely unfairly treated if you compare him to Cohen on results.

[shoeless joe]

But think about this ...

Butch Inherited 1 winning SEC seasons in 10 years at Auburn, averaged an 12-18 record.
Mingo Inherited 2 winning SEC seasons in 10 years at UK, average 13-17 record (Mingo has a 480 Winning % at UK and Cohen was 426 at Kentucky)
Cohen Inherited 5 winning SEC seasons in 10 years (1-Omaha and 3 Supers), average 15-15 record
Vitello Inherited 0 winning SEC seasons in 10 years, average 10-20 record

Who had the toughest situation to start? All these dudes have better winning records than Cohen.

Who had the better record at Kentucky?

I enjoyed MSU nearly beating Florida in the 2011 Super, still mad at my wife for making me stay for an in-law visit. Totally wasted weekend with people I don't even like. Cohen was 8-13 at one point that season and benefited from having Tennessee (the Mizzou of the 1990's) on the schedule for a cheap Sweep. Otherwise he does not make a post season and I was in Atlanta for Georgia Tech losing to Austin Peay and MSU was able to snake a Regional win because AP had great weekend. Good for Cohen, MSU, and me as a fan in Atlanta but Cohen was fortunate. I think GT even had a hurt ace, so great timing.

Then that 2013 regional in Starkville. Mercer, South Alabama, and Central Arkansas coming to town. A regional final versus Central Arkansas was pretty sweet as a draw for a 16-14 SEC team. Still had to win in Charlottesville, though.

I think its ok to celebrate the 2011 and 2013 post season miracles, but Cohen was going nowhere without those moments, it bought him time to 2016 and slipping into Administrative work. In fact, Lemons looks like Joe Torre and completely unfairly treated if you compare him to Cohen on results.

not sure you can compare what cohen walked into without realizing what actually occurred with the polk drama.

and "post season miracles" is a little rough...the toughness and grit to battle through a long season and be playing well enough to beat other postseason teams is part of what makes me appreciate cohen as a coach. if we hire a guy with the foresight and the knowledge to recognize what it takes to win, recruit those type players, get them on campus, utilize them in a way to give them the best chance to win and be playing well enough at the end to make a run then i think everybody would be happy.

[confucius say]

not real sure what you are saying with some of this. cohen won games with the types of players he knew would win games. he recruited the guys he needed and won with them. when the ball changed it took him one year to make that adjustment then we won the SEC.

The team that IMO was the epitome of what cohen did here was the '11 team. after all the damage done by polk he got some absolute gritty dirt bags and was a few outs away from taking down an outstanding florida team and going to omaha. he had a multi inning closer that was 87-88 and an arm slot guy. good grief...those are the the type players that we need and that we've historically won with from a mindset and toughness standpoint.

I'd rather have the Sims and Bednar type players

[shoeless joe]

I'd rather have the Sims and Bednar type players

no doubt...but you're making my point.

they had that mentality and edge that allowed them to succeed in the biggest moments against highly talented opponents. and throwing 95+ didn't hurt. my whole point is that i want a coach that recognizes ALL the attributes and characteristics needed to win, recognizes the players that possess them, gets them on campus, and utilizes them in a way that allows them to be successful.

allen, jordan, tanner, dubrule, sims, bednar, etc...were all examples of exactly what i'm talking about. they had the mental game and the physical skillset.

[Santiago]

I have worked all over the south in my career, Atlanta, Birmingham the Emerald Coast, NOLA and a very short stint in the Jackson area. In my line of work, mainly at country clubs I have found the most entitled bunch to be in our fair state, and it?s not even close.

Big Fish in small ponds .