Well Parker is 3-0/

[basedog]

I'm in no way saying we should have kept Arnett. But I am saying nothing has been impressive about Lebby to this point. Best thing he has done so far is land a legacy QB that most State coaches would have signed.

Lebby had no chance with what was "gifted" or left with the mess Arnett created. Come on 34, you were all in 100% sure of Arnett and staff. In saying this, it is a wait and see on what Lebby can do, our tradition sucks and we have had two really good coaches in my lifetime as a Msu fan and graduate, JWS and DM, I suppose I should put Leach as the the third as he at least produced better than most Coaches.
I agree with Todd, Arnett was the worse HC ever at Msu! At least Leach left him with some talent.

[Coach34]

Come on 34, you were all in 100% sure of Arnett and staff.

I supported them. I would have supported Bobby Hall as HC after 3 tortuous years of The Airbone

[sandjunky]

BOC says no dice / he?s got future support at UVA

[EdwardDrayton]

BOC says no dice / he?s got future support at UVA

And the beat goes on. Always a bridesmaid, never a bride. But we've always known that and we'll always know that. <sigh>

[Quaoarsking]

BOC says no dice / he?s got future support at UVA

Sure hope that's just coachspeak or else the hire is a disappointment.

[Cowbell]

You guys are some of the very few impressed with the football hire. We went in saying we wanted someone with HC'ing experience and came out with a coordinator from his previous school that had a worse season than what we fired. We are in Y2 and just making a bowl game is very iffy still.

Who are you talking about with "you guys". I told everyone before we hired Lebby that the OU faithful wanted him out of there as my inlaws are boosters there. Thankfully they got humbled this past year.

[HoopsDawg]

I'm in no way saying we should have kept Arnett. But I am saying nothing has been impressive about Lebby to this point. Best thing he has done so far is land a legacy QB that most State coaches would have signed.

We moved the ball with a true freshman QB and a crappy Oline. The team never quit on him. And he has been working his ass off this offseason in the portal. That's 3 positives.

[Cowbell]

Lebby had no chance with what was "gifted" or left with the mess Arnett created. Come on 34, you were all in 100% sure of Arnett and staff. In saying this, it is a wait and see on what Lebby can do, our tradition sucks and we have had two really good coaches in my lifetime as a Msu fan and graduate, JWS and DM, I suppose I should put Leach as the the third as he at least produced better than most Coaches.
I agree with Todd, Arnett was the worse HC ever at Msu! At least Leach left him with some talent.

Base - I enjoy your wisdom on this board. But Arnett didn't create any mess. That was Moorhead/Cohen/keenum that created it. Leach didn't help it. And neither did Arnett.

[Cowbell]

BOC says no dice / he?s got future support at UVA

And like I tried telling everyone - it was only a red flag that he was mentioned so quick. We have been a part of so many coaching searches the last decade that everyone here should have known what that was about. Kendall should give ED some commission for pushing his narratives.

[sandjunky]

I tried to get us back on the rails but here we are

[DownwardDawg]

If we still had Arnett we would have just fired him for driving through the Starkville Wendy's naked. Arnett was the worst coach I have ever seen at MSU and our program wasn't going anywhere until we fired him. Lebby has had to clean up his mess.

Arnett made Croom look like Saban.

[Coach34]

Arnett made Croom look like Saban.

Arnett won 5 games. That’s 2 seasons for Crooms

[basedog]

Base - I enjoy your wisdom on this board. But Arnett didn't create any mess. That was Moorhead/Cohen/keenum that created it. Leach didn't help it. And neither did Arnett.

Thanks and I can agree with what u r saying. But Arnett had really bad assistants and he wasn't close to being ready as HC.
Glad it only took one year. I have not a clue how it's gonna go for Lebby but I think he has been working his butt of in recruiting and portal. I just hope we can get the players coached up.

[Leroy Jenkins]

One thing we've learned over the years. The first names that "leak" out are smokescreens.

[Coursesuper]

I tried to get us back on the rails but here we are

Tried to talk them 2 pages ago, but like you said, “here we are”, again.

[Todd4State]

And like I tried telling everyone - it was only a red flag that he was mentioned so quick. We have been a part of so many coaching searches the last decade that everyone here should have known what that was about. Kendall should give ED some commission for pushing his narratives.

I'm not surprised that Virginia stepped up. I'm glad that it's happening now and not 4-5 weeks from now.

Like Schlossnagle.

[Todd4State]

One thing we've learned over the years. The first names that "leak" out are smokescreens.

Yep. And it's usually not the obvious MSU guy with connections either- so it's probably not Coggin either.

[DownwardDawg]

Arnett won 5 games. That’s 2 seasons for Crooms

Lmao. Arnett almost destroyed the program in record time. He would have never sniffed a bowl.
Croom absolutely sucked, but was 100 times better than Arnett.
Croom went to a bowl.
Croom beat Bama twice, including a win over Saban.
Croom left a pretty decent team for Mullen.

Arnett did absolutely NOTHING positive.

[DownwardDawg]

One thing we've learned over the years. The first names that "leak" out are smokescreens.

100%

[Coach34]

Lmao. Arnett almost destroyed the program in record time. He would have never sniffed a bowl.
Croom absolutely sucked, but was 100 times better than Arnett.
Croom went to a bowl.
Croom beat Bama twice, including a win over Saban.
Croom left a pretty decent team for Mullen.

Arnett did absolutely NOTHING positive.

Croom beat a different animal than the one Bama is today.
It took 4 years for Croom to make a bowl. Croom lost to Maine.

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