Realistic Candidates for HC

[Todd4State]

Also we can't say that what Lemonis has done is unacceptable and not up to our standards and then go hire a hitting coach from Tennessee. And if it's money related which I doubt it is- then keep Lemonis for another year and fire him after the house situation is settled rather than risk 3-4 more bad years if our assistant hire doesn't work out. We would all be better off with one more bad season than 3-4 bad ones and a massive rebuild on our hands.

And that's not advocating keeping Lemonis. It's me advocating getting a coach with experience.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Also we can't say that what Lemonis has done is unacceptable and not up to our standards and then go hire a hitting coach from Tennessee. And if it's money related which I doubt it is- then keep Lemonis for another year and fire him after the house situation is settled rather than risk 3-4 more bad years if our assistant hire doesn't work out. We would all be better off with one more bad season than 3-4 bad ones and a massive rebuild on our hands.

And that's not advocating keeping Lemonis. It's me advocating getting a coach with experience.

If you're saying that we need to only fire Lemonis if we're going to hire a P4 coach with experience then we're keeping Lemonis. Because you can't risk getting turned down.

But here's an add on to your scenario, what if we suck again next year, fire him, and then still can't hire a sitting P4 HC with experience and settle for an assistant? There's going to always be risks in the hiring/firing game. I'm sure Tennessee didn't know what they'd be able to get when they fired Dave Serrano. But they took a risk and got hands down the best coach in college baseball, but was anyone saying that they had hired that when they introduced Tony Vitello? I don't remember it if they were.

You have to get the best candidate you can get FOR YOUR JOB. Whether that is Chris Pollard, Mark Wasikowski, Erik Bakich, Will Coggin, Josh Elander, or the usher in section 105. You go get someone who you believe can raise the stature of the program. We all want the next Vitello, but it sometimes takes risk to find that person.

[Coach34]

We are still paying off our best stadium in the country causing baseball to lose money overall in addition to the price of everything going up. The fact that we are banging our chests about getting football NIL up to 10-11MM while its a min of 15MM to really compete with 20MM plus for top tier tells me we arent about to pay big money for a new baseball coach.

[Todd4State]

If you're saying that we need to only fire Lemonis if we're going to hire a P4 coach with experience then we're keeping Lemonis. Because you can't risk getting turned down.

But here's an add on to your scenario, what if we suck again next year, fire him, and then still can't hire a sitting P4 HC with experience and settle for an assistant? There's going to always be risks in the hiring/firing game. I'm sure Tennessee didn't know what they'd be able to get when they fired Dave Serrano. But they took a risk and got hands down the best coach in college baseball, but was anyone saying that they had hired that when they introduced Tony Vitello? I don't remember it if they were.

You have to get the best candidate you can get FOR YOUR JOB. Whether that is Chris Pollard, Mark Wasikowski, Erik Bakich, Will Coggin, Josh Elander, or the usher in section 105. You go get someone who you believe can raise the stature of the program. We all want the next Vitello, but it sometimes takes risk to find that person.

Tennessee had nothing to lose when they hired Vitello. If he didn't work out it would have just been another failed coach on their list with Todd Raleigh, Serrano, etc. It has worked out for them and that's great.

We are a blueblood program. LSU hired a guy with experience in Jay Johnson. Texas hired a guy with experience in Schlossnagle. Arkansas hired Van Horn from Nebraska. Every coach we have hired outside of Cann has had head coaching experience and we see how Cann turned out.

I'm not worried about your scenario because the only reason that scenario happens is because of money. And the house resolution will be resolved by then. Someone will take money that we can offer.

[Todd4State]

We are still paying off our best stadium in the country causing baseball to lose money overall in addition to the price of everything going up. The fact that we are banging our chests about getting football NIL up to 10-11MM while its a min of 15MM to really compete with 20MM plus for top tier tells me we arent about to pay big money for a new baseball coach.

So what was their plan if Lemonis did well enough to stay?

[Todd4State]

https://frontofficesports.com/highes...eball-coaches/

Only 15 baseball coaches make over a million including Lemonis. But we're so poor we can't pay someone with experience and have to settle for an assistant?

These are top paid ones and Matt Deggs is on that list at 350K

[StarkVegasSteve]

https://frontofficesports.com/highes...eball-coaches/

Only 15 baseball coaches make over a million including Lemonis. But we're so poor we can't pay someone with experience and have to settle for an assistant?

These are top paid ones and Matt Deggs is on that list at 350K

We're not but we also can't get into a bidding war and end up paying someone 1.3 or 1.4 when they were making 700-800K.

[Todd4State]

We're not but we also can't get into a bidding war and end up paying someone 1.3 or 1.4 when they were making 700-800K.

I mean 1.3 was what we were going to pay Lemonis anyway.

I'm just saying if you want to fix the baseball program then fix it. Don't take a half assed approach and hope it works out because if it doesn't then we're worse off than we would be keeping Lemonis for another season. I don't think we can afford that either.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Well......the hypotheticals just got real.


The Search is Officially ON.

[Quaoarsking]

If Florida makes the same announcement in the next few weeks, we know what we have to do...

[StarkVegasSteve]

If Florida makes the same announcement in the next few weeks, we know what we have to do...

If Florida makes the same announcement, I'll personally pay for the jet fuel to get Selmon to Gainesville.

[Coach34]

If Florida makes the same announcement in the next few weeks, we know what we have to do...

wtf? Florida is the hottest team in the SEC right now other than Texas

[State82]

If Florida makes the same announcement in the next few weeks, we know what we have to do...

Sully's on a serious roll right now.

[Coach34]

Sully's on a serious roll right now.

and they play SC this coming weekend. Should sweep unless SC gets lucky

[Quaoarsking]

wtf? Florida is the hottest team in the SEC right now other than Texas

Too little, too late most likely.

[preachermatt83]

This is lacking context.

Pollard was at some lower level schools early in his career and took over a Duke program that quite literally had done nothing before he got there. His first few years were rough but then he built it up and they've made 6 regionals in 8 years. Soon to be 7 in 9.
He took them to their first regional in 55 years. He's been to 3 super regionals, something Duke had never done before him. So his overall winning %, while not completely irrelevant, is pretty meaningless when comparing him to Lemonis.

Lemonis on the other hand, is a guy who took over an Indiana team that had gone to the CWS before he got there and then proceeded to do nothing with them. He gets a little credit for not immediately crashing the car Cohen and Cann built for him. Kudos for that.

This!!!!

[Coach34]

Too little, too late most likely.

too late for what? They gonna be in a Regional and are playing good baseball. He has never missed a Regional and was in the Final Four last year. Zero chance he gets fired

[preachermatt83]

I think butch still has it. What has Vaughn done that butch hasnt?

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think butch still has it. What has Vaughn done that butch hasnt?

Vaughn might be open to leaving. Butch isn't.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Call the guys at Clemson, NC State, if they both say no call Butch. If Butch says no call Mingey