Some of you need to realize about baseball

[cheewgumm]

WE need to be good at baseball because our fans love it.

We are all on here arguing about who should play, etc.. Should we fire the coach? Whatever. We all love it want State to win.

So, we are "the customer".

Anmd if you ignore what the customer likes, the customer will rebel. You just cant ignore it. Wont be allowed by the fans, imo.

[Pancho]

Does Lemo has to win the series with USCe this weekend? it would appear to be a head on the chopping block moment is he loses the series. thoughts?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Does Lemo has to win the series with USCe this weekend? it would appear to be a head on the chopping block moment is he loses the series. thoughts?

If you're asking will he be fired on Monday if we lose the series.....the answer is no.

If you're asking if we lose the series that is the end for Lemonis......the answer is yes.


He has to win, and probably sweep, the series this weekend to have any prayer of sneaking into the NCAAT.

[StarkVegasSteve]

WE need to be good at baseball because our fans love it.

We are all on here arguing about who should play, etc.. Should we fire the coach? Whatever. We all love it want State to win.

So, we are "the customer".

Anmd if you ignore what the customer likes, the customer will rebel. You just cant ignore it. Wont be allowed by the fans, imo.

I mean they've allowed it 3 out of the last 4 years and I would imagine that the crowd will be 10-11K tonight as well. Doesn't seem like they're rebelling much and history tells me they won't. We could probably lose out and avearge 9-10K a game the rest of the season.

[Todd4State]

Yeah but lest it go unsaid, baseball has our ONLY natty and sells out the venue so, from that perspective, football and basketball suck a bag of, well, you know.

We draw well in football when we're good. We actually draw pretty well when you consider the product and how the athletic department has repeatedly given fans the middle finger for years with things like uniforms and not investing in recruiting like we should.

[MStateDawg]

I mean they've allowed it 3 out of the last 4 years and I would imagine that the crowd will be 10-11K tonight as well. Doesn't seem like they're rebelling much and history tells me they won't. We could probably lose out and avearge 9-10K a game the rest of the season.

Attendance isn't going to be an issue. People will come just to have a good time and enjoy being out at the park. Ticket sales won't be an issue for the AD to be concerned about either. All chairbacks are sold (with a thousand or 2 more on the waiting list). Seating royalties for those chairbacks are all sold thru either 2028 or 2029 depending on what the ticketholder chose to do with the cancelled COVID season. If you get frustrated with football, you can drop your tickets and wait until they get competitive again and then pick up some new tickets. If you get frustrated with baseball and drop your season tickets, you'll be abandoning your already paid seating royalties and it could be years and years before you get season tickets back.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Attendance isn't going to be an issue. People will come just to have a good time and enjoy being out at the park. Ticket sales won't be an issue for the AD to be concerned about either. All chairbacks are sold (with a thousand or 2 more on the waiting list). Seating royalties for those chairbacks are all sold thru either 2028 or 2029 depending on what the ticketholder chose to do with the cancelled COVID season. If you get frustrated with football, you can drop your tickets and wait until they get competitive again and then pick up some new tickets. If you get frustrated with baseball and drop your season tickets, it could be years and years before you get them back.

You won't ever get them back. Period. The waiting list is well into the thousands and there's people on that list that will never get seats.

[BrunswickDawg]

Fair point, we do have national recognition nationally among those that follow college baseball, no doubt. But that group (those that follow college baseball) is small compared to football and men's basketball.

So for example, here's some rough numbers:

college football college playoffs TV averaged about 22 million
college men's final four this year will probably shake out around 15 million, maybe 16 depending on who is in the finals
college baseball finals last year was about 3 million

Again, I hope we are good in baseball and I hope we win it all many, many times. We just have to be very careful investing in it becasue the ROI is simply not that here in the modern, super confernce, NIL era.

National TV statistics are not the same as measuring what MSU is recognized for. Until Dak, I think if you asked a random sports fan to name an MSU athlete they would have said Will Clark or Rafael Palmerio.
Baseball is definitely THE sport we are recognized for because for almost 60 years, its the only thing we have consistently been any good at. That doesn't change because more people watch football and basketball championships that we never play for.

[Coach34]

If you're asking will he be fired on Monday if we lose the series.....the answer is no.

If you're asking if we lose the series that is the end for Lemonis......the answer is yes.


He has to win, and probably sweep, the series this weekend to have any prayer of sneaking into the NCAAT.

THIS

[cheewgumm]

I mean they've allowed it 3 out of the last 4 years and I would imagine that the crowd will be 10-11K tonight as well. Doesn't seem like they're rebelling much and history tells me they won't. We could probably lose out and avearge 9-10K a game the rest of the season.

I agree that people will for the most part still go, but i think there will be an uproar from fans that care (like here) and the podcaset guys will be brutal critics. Some may not think that is a big deal, but it is. Then if Selmon doesn't change, people will start callling for his head. momentum will grow, its not good.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I agree that people will for the most part still go, but i think there will be an uproar from fans that care (like here) and the podcaset guys will be brutal critics. Some may not think that is a big deal, but it is. Then if Selmon doesn't change, people will start callling for his head. momentum will grow, its not good.

Well Hadad and Faulk already hate Lemonis and Co. and the feeling is mutual. They don't like them because Lemonis called Faulk a 17 idiot to his face, and like most times, he deserved it. Lemonis could turn it around and win a national championship and those two would complain. They just do not like Lemonis and never will. And he has no respect for them and never will.

Steve is going to tote water til the end and maybe a little longer because he likes Lemonis.

As for the message boards, I mean that's the diehard fans so they're going to be more critical of the coaches than most.

Selmon is also never going to be judged on baseball. NEVER. No AD will ever lose their job based on a non revenue sport. PERIOD.



It's this simple. If Lemonis doesn't turn it around and misses the tournament he's fired. If he only turns it around enough to squeak in as a 3 and goes 2 and que, he will probably be fired. Any other scenario, and he's probably coming back.

[RezDog7]

That's not the way most State fans feel. I had a DME rep in my office on Monday. Most of these reps know I'm a big State guy, alumnus, supporter, etc...., and they usually immediately bring up something about Mississippi State when they visit me at my office. The first thing he said when he came in Monday was "We have to make a change in baseball. I can take being OK in football and basketball, but not in baseball. We have to be great in baseball."

This times a million

[StarkVegasSteve]

This times a million

Well the thing is, what we're spending we should be great. I mean we're in the top 10 of spenders on baseball in the country and haven't HOSTED A REGIONAL, not even a Super, A REGIONAL in what will be 4 years after this one. Now, if we spent what Mizzou spends on baseball then those results would be fine. But if we're going to continue to spend what we currently spend, then those results are unacceptable.

[MStateDawg]

They don't like them because Lemonis called Faulk a 17 idiot to his face, and like most times, he deserved it.

This gives me respect for Lemonis. Faulk is an idiot. He has damned near ruined Brian's podcast with his cluelessness.

[StarkVegasSteve]

This gives me respect for Lemonis. Faulk is an idiot. He has damned near ruined Brian's podcast with his cluelessness.

He just thinks he's a lot more important than he is. He's the cohost of an extremely niche podcast and acts like he's Bill Simmons or Ryen Russillo. Like Bob Carskadon was a way bigger deal in Starkville and around the university than Faulk and Bob never carried himself like this. I mean without this podcast he'd be a high school sports reporter. I at least think Brian has a bit of humility because he was working at Papa Johns less than 10 years ago.

I'll be honest, those On3 guys have gotten really bad since they branched off from 247. I don't know why they think they're that much more important now. I mean they're doing the same thing.

[RezDog7]

I mean they've allowed it 3 out of the last 4 years and I would imagine that the crowd will be 10-11K tonight as well. Doesn't seem like they're rebelling much and history tells me they won't. We could probably lose out and avearge 9-10K a game the rest of the season.

People like to joke about attendance numbers and giving opposing players food. I think it's awesome that we care so much about this sport and support it no matter what. Baseball at the Dude is way more than just baseball. The fans do their part. It's up to the administration to put a good product on the field.

If football/basketball had this kind of support, would we still have people joking about attendance numbers and giving food away?

[StarkVegasSteve]

People like to joke about attendance numbers and giving opposing players food. I think it's awesome that we care so much about this sport and support it no matter what. Baseball at the Dude is way more than just baseball. The fans do their part. It's up to the administration to put a good product on the field.

If football/basketball had this kind of support, would we still have people joking about attendance numbers and giving food away?

Well no because no one would be there. At the first sign of trouble State fans bail en masse in those sports. Baseball could go 0-48 for 5 straight years and the attendance would be the exact same. 10-12K on the weekends and 2-5K in the midweek. Probably between 13-14K on big weekends. But baseball has The Grove and the other sports don't. Same reason Ole Miss always will have good football attendance.

It's why I've completely changed my tune on this, if we're not going to even attempt to make it a tough place to play, then 17 it. Make it a party. Embrace the party atmosphere. I mean it's already a party for any opposing fan base so why not make it a party for everyone.

[cheewgumm]

Well Hadad and Faulk already hate Lemonis and Co. and the feeling is mutual. They don't like them because Lemonis called Faulk a 17 idiot to his face, and like most times, he deserved it. Lemonis could turn it around and win a national championship and those two would complain. They just do not like Lemonis and never will. And he has no respect for them and never will.

Steve is going to tote water til the end and maybe a little longer because he likes Lemonis.

As for the message boards, I mean that's the diehard fans so they're going to be more critical of the coaches than most.

Selmon is also never going to be judged on baseball. NEVER. No AD will ever lose their job based on a non revenue sport. PERIOD.



It's this simple. If Lemonis doesn't turn it around and misses the tournament he's fired. If he only turns it around enough to squeak in as a 3 and goes 2 and que, he will probably be fired. Any other scenario, and he's probably coming back.

If he is going to fire coaches that lose, then that is what he's supposed to do.

I think we are in agreement.

My point was if we lose (say dont make the regional) and Selman decides not to fire him becauase "who cares about baseball". Selman would be in trouble if he did that. Taht is my scenario.

Howver, if he's gonna fire him if we don't make the regional, i cant ask for any more.

[RezDog7]

He just thinks he's a lot more important than he is. He's the cohost of an extremely niche podcast and acts like he's Bill Simmons or Ryen Russillo. Like Bob Carskadon was a way bigger deal in Starkville and around the university than Faulk and Bob never carried himself like this. I mean without this podcast he'd be a high school sports reporter. I at least think Brian has a bit of humility because he was working at Papa Johns less than 10 years ago.

I'll be honest, those On3 guys have gotten really bad since they branched off from 247. I don't know why they think they're that much more important now. I mean they're doing the same thing.

The 247 board is full of ass clowns and gawd awful sheep.

[cheewgumm]

The 247 board is full of ass clowns and gawd awful sheep.

I dont see how people can stand to be on the other boards. Honestly. I never go to any of the others.