Some of you need to realize about baseball

[Coach34]

Our AD doesnt give a shit about baseball. Not one **** because it loses money. He is focused on football and basketball.

Lots of feeling out there that he wont make a decision on baseball until forced to. So Lemon wont be fired until it looks like he wont make a Regional. If Lemon makes a Regional we will continue on unless Boosters require a change.

This where we are

[cheewgumm]

Sad

Misguided

But. No reason we can?t be good at a few things.

[ArrowDawg]

Our AD doesnt give a shit about baseball. Not one **** because it loses money. He is focused on football and basketball.

Lots of feeling out there that he wont make a decision on baseball until forced to. So Lemon wont be fired until it looks like he wont make a Regional. If Lemon makes a Regional we will continue on unless Boosters require a change.

This where we are

That's probably true, but that just assures us that we'll continue to suck at everything. We're fighting a losing battle in football.

[Todd4State]

The boosters always have the ultimate say. They're the ones that pay for it.

And if we don't make a regional Lemonis will be gone.

[Todd4State]

Sad

Misguided

But. No reason we can?t be good at a few things.

Well we have some stupid fans and media personalities that championed for football and basketball only and they're getting what they wanted. Ironically, they're some of the ones that are bitching the loudest about firing Lemonis.

Goes back to butthurt over Cohen on their part. And when MSU people get butthurt they tend to burn things down.

[HoopsDawg]

We've always made money in baseball. If we aren't now it's only bc of the stadium financing.

Our baseball team has always been a point of pride thru tough times in football. If Selmon doesn't take baseball seriously, he won't be around long.

[Todd4State]

We've always made money in baseball. If we aren't now it's only bc of the stadium financing.

Our baseball team has always been a point of pride thru tough times in football. If Selmon doesn't take baseball seriously, he won't be around long.

Bingo.

Thing is- the boosters we have care about it a lot and probably want to have a lot of say into who we hire. So, they're probably OK with it.

That makes me think we might end up with Coggin though- which may mean we keep Parker and replace Cheese with Ammirrati if I had to guess unless he has someone else in mind for pitching coach.

Personally I think they'll try to throw a lot of money at some big name first. They may not get whoever that is but it wouldn't surprise me if they try.

Plus, our main NIL person is a huge baseball fan so I think we're going to be OK.

[bulldogcountry1]

I don't believe for one minute that Selmon doesn't care about baseball. If anyone has a clue about how important our baseball program is to the success of our overall athletic program, it should be him.

What's more likely is that he completely aware how much our fans care and is completely terrified of the thought of having to hire a new baseball coach.

[gtowndawg]

It's fun if we are good in baseball, but if we are not, I don't even think about it. Meaning, I'm a normal sports fan, most don't care. It's not a knock on baseball, it's the sport I played but 99% of sports fans pay attention to football and men's basketball, that's it. If they can figure out a way to get a better coach and not waste any money, I'm fine with it. But there's no way we should be going in the hole for baseball.

Not trying to step on any toes, but all I care about is helping State achieve national recognition and to sustain that national recognition. The only way that can be done is football and men's basketball.

[KB21]

Bingo.

Thing is- the boosters we have care about it a lot and probably want to have a lot of say into who we hire. So, they're probably OK with it.

That makes me think we might end up with Coggin though- which may mean we keep Parker and replace Cheese with Ammirrati if I had to guess unless he has someone else in mind for pitching coach.

Personally I think they'll try to throw a lot of money at some big name first. They may not get whoever that is but it wouldn't surprise me if they try.

Plus, our main NIL person is a huge baseball fan so I think we're going to be OK.

The more I research potential candidates, the more I believe that Coggin is the best fit and best guy to go after. I said it in another thread, and I said it on X. If we want a young Tony Vitello type, we are going to have to take a chance on someone. Will Coggin has played and coached at Mississippi State. He played for Polk and coached with Cohen. His offenses at Kentucky were very good, and his offenses at Georgia are top 2 nationally. They are the best hitting team in the country, and it isn't because they are recruiting at a top 10 level. Will has developed the reputation of being a hitting coach hitters want to play for and be coached by. He would almost certainly bring Nick Ammirati with him as an assistant. I don't know if he would keep Parker or bring in a more analytically minded pitching coach. I could see Will bring in Chris Young. I think a couple of player development coaches he could target to be on staff are Myles Gentry at Samford and Trevor Fitts at Kentucky. Will would almost certainly revamp our player development and analytics staff.

[KB21]

It's fun if we are good in baseball, but if we are not, I don't even think about it. Meaning, I'm a normal sports fan, most don't care. It's not a knock on baseball, it's the sport I played but 99% of sports fans pay attention to football and men's basketball, that's it. If they can figure out a way to get a better coach and not waste any money, I'm fine with it. But there's no way we should be going in the hole for baseball.

Not trying to step on any toes, but all I care about is helping State achieve national recognition and to sustain that national recognition. The only way that can be done is football and men's basketball.

That's not the way most State fans feel. I had a DME rep in my office on Monday. Most of these reps know I'm a big State guy, alumnus, supporter, etc...., and they usually immediately bring up something about Mississippi State when they visit me at my office. The first thing he said when he came in Monday was "We have to make a change in baseball. I can take being OK in football and basketball, but not in baseball. We have to be great in baseball."

[maroonmania]

The thing to me is I like to play for something big in SOMETHING and baseball is the ONLY sport on campus where, if we have the right leadership, we can compete at the highest level every year. I like football and basketball and yeah, I want to be competitive in both, but any of you that think there is ANY realistic thing we can do that will allow us to compete at the highest level regularly in either of those sports is living in a pipe dream. At best, there might be some once in a 3 decade type year (like '96 and '04 in basketball or '14 in football) where we have a CHANCE to compete for something big but I'm not even sure those type years will come along like they used to in this NIL/portal era. When it starts coming down to purely money even more than it used to we are at even more of a disadvantage than we were in previous years.

I realize football is the money maker but every year we really just play to make a bowl somewhere and basketball to see if we can get into the NCAA tournament. In baseball we can legitiimately play for something and seeing that program be led so poorly is sickening. In football we are at the biggest disadvantage relative to the elites, and in basketball we've made the Elite Eight once in our entire history while in baseball we've essentially made the Elite Eight 12 times with one championship. Baseball should be important to any MSU fan that cares about winning at the highest level and should be much more than an afterthought to Selmon given our situation.

[Coach34]

The more I research potential candidates, the more I believe that Coggin is the best fit and best guy to go after.

strong candidate for sure

[BigDawg81]

Our AD doesnt give a shit about baseball. Not one **** because it loses money. He is focused on football and basketball.

Lots of feeling out there that he wont make a decision on baseball until forced to. So Lemon wont be fired until it looks like he wont make a Regional. If Lemon makes a Regional we will continue on unless Boosters require a change.

This where we are

You must have listened to Robbie and Hadad. Hadad brought up this same topic. I am ok with it but I need Selmon to come out and say that the top 2 priorities is Football and Men?s basketball. We better damn good in football and basketball if Selmon throws baseball to the side. If not, Selmon can go.

[HoopsDawg]

The thing to me is I like to play for something big in SOMETHING and baseball is the ONLY sport on campus where, if we have the right leadership, we can compete at the highest level every year. I like football and basketball and yeah, I want to be competitive in both, but any of you that think there is ANY realistic thing we can do that will allow us to compete at the highest level regularly in either of those sports is living in a pipe dream. At best, there might be some once in a 3 decade type year (like '96 and '04 in basketball or '14 in football) where we have a CHANCE to compete for something big but I'm not even sure those type years will come along like they used to in this NIL/portal era. When it starts coming down to purely money even more than it used to we are at even more of a disadvantage than we were in previous years.

I realize football is the money maker but every year we really just play to make a bowl somewhere and basketball to see if we can get into the NCAA tournament. In baseball we can legitiimately play for something and seeing that program be led so poorly is sickening. In football we are at the biggest disadvantage relative to the elites, and in basketball we've made the Elite Eight once in our entire history while in baseball we've essentially made the Elite Eight 12 times with one championship. Baseball should be important to any MSU fan that cares about winning at the highest level and should be much more than an afterthought to Selmon given our situation.

Excellent post.

[Homedawg]

We've always made money in baseball. If we aren't now it's only bc of the stadium financing.

Our baseball team has always been a point of pride thru tough times in football. If Selmon doesn't take baseball seriously, he won't be around long.

Not true. We were around break even. Making money wasn't us. But the lofts are about to be paid off. That's a money maker. Should build more. But.... smh

[maroonmania]

Our AD doesnt give a shit about baseball. Not one **** because it loses money. He is focused on football and basketball.

Lots of feeling out there that he wont make a decision on baseball until forced to. So Lemon wont be fired until it looks like he wont make a Regional. If Lemon makes a Regional we will continue on unless Boosters require a change.

This where we are

Nothing surprising there, I would even take out the "it looks like" and just say Lemon won't be fired this year until he actually doesn't make a regional.

[Coach34]

Not true. We were around break even. Making money wasn't us. But the lofts are about to be paid off. That's a money maker. Should build more. But.... smh

Yep. Another set of lofts would sell immediately

[Coach34]

Nothing surprising there, I would even take out the "it looks like" and just say Lemon won't be fired this year until he actually doesn't make a regional.

some people think he may pull the trigger a little early to seem like he really cares if we continue this course another 5 weeks

[Turfdawg67]

Our AD doesnt give a shit about baseball. Not one **** because it loses money. He is focused on football and basketball.

Lots of feeling out there that he wont make a decision on baseball until forced to. So Lemon wont be fired until it looks like he wont make a Regional. If Lemon makes a Regional we will continue on unless Boosters require a change.

This where we are

Does he not realize we are a baseball school?!?***