Quote Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve View Post
It is actually extremely high. I look at things from more than just an effort level. The kid gives max effort and tries really hard and is an above average to elite defender. He is however a below average offensive player. He cannot score outside 5 ft, he lacks the ability to create a shot(mostly because he has little shooting ability), and when he is pressured he tends to panic and is prone to turnovers.

That takes nothing away from his athleticism and his defense. He has more athleticism than any of us could gain in 10 lifetimes. But I do know that from 12 ft and out I could outshoot him any day of the week. He is a more athletic and slightly less offense version of Tony Allen.

Also you did not answer the question: Is Cam Matthews one of our 5 best offensive players? If he is who do you have him in front of? I mean my rankings would be Hubbard, Kugel, Melendez, Harris, Clary(when healthy), Murphy, Jones, Warren, Matthews, Nwoko. Do you think he is better than Clary or Murphy?
Putting Matthews below Shawn Jones in offensive ability is genuinely one of the most insane things I have ever read on this board.

Everyone knows his limitations, but what he does have is the ability to drive the basket and use his size and athleticism to score. He is by no means elite at it, but that is definitely a skill he possesses. And what he has better than anyone on our team is excellent court vision and very good passing ability. No, he is not a good jump shooter, and he is not perfect as a ball handler, but equating that completely to offensive ability is dumb.

Matthews absolutely helps make our offense go. He helps create at least 5-6 easy buckets every game, and that is hugely valuable.