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12-04-2024, 09:18 PM
#221

Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
Arnold will give us two out of all likelihood but understands that if Kamario progresses quickly he will challenge him in 26. Jackson will still win but he is the guy. I still think there's a chance that Van Buren stays but I believe he is trying to maneuver his way to Auburn.
AU cant pin their hopes to MVB. I think he has potential, but Freeze needs 8+ wins next year.
I would expect AU to look to land a top 5 portal QB after dealing with Thorne this year.
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12-04-2024, 09:19 PM
#222
14 transfers out so far. I would expect probably 8-10 more.
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12-04-2024, 09:19 PM
#223

Originally Posted by
HancockCountyDog
I think Shapen is the first domino.
Ive been told that we want him back but not at the number we paid him this year, I do not see anyone paying him much so hopefully he takes a pay cut and stays.
My understanding is that we are going all in on Arnold. Especially with what MVB wants. I agree with that philosophy too. Arnold is simply better and we get the publicity that we desperately need right now. Plus he most likely gives us two years which is optimal for KT.
But again who would want Shapen? I wouldn't be shocked if a reduced offer from MSU was his best offer.
He's injury prone and will be limited in spring practice for whoever he plays for.
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12-04-2024, 09:34 PM
#224

Originally Posted by
Todd4State
But again who would want Shapen? I wouldn't be shocked if a reduced offer from MSU was his best offer.
He's injury prone and will be limited in spring practice for whoever he plays for.
A G5 team will take a chance. It will just be does he want money or a chance. We will still probably be the best money offer.
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12-04-2024, 09:35 PM
#225

Originally Posted by
HancockCountyDog
AU cant pin their hopes to MVB. I think he has potential, but Freeze needs 8+ wins next year.
I would expect AU to look to land a top 5 portal QB after dealing with Thorne this year.
He is pursuing Auburn a lot harder than they are pursuing him at this point.
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12-04-2024, 11:14 PM
#226

Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
He is pursuing Auburn a lot harder than they are pursuing him at this point.
We need to be strong here, he does not have the leverage he thinks he has.
If we can get Arnold, you make it happen.
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12-05-2024, 09:32 AM
#227
It probably doesn't mean much, but when you look at Jeff Lebby's X account for who he is following, Jackson Arnold is the top name on that list. I don't know how X sorts who you are following. I do know that in the past, Jackson Arnold has been on that list but wasn't the top name. Like I said though, it probably doesn't mean much. It does seem very likely that he ends up at Mississippi State, because he almost did it last season.
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12-05-2024, 10:18 AM
#228

Originally Posted by
KB21
It probably doesn't mean much, but when you look at Jeff Lebby's X account for who he is following, Jackson Arnold is the top name on that list. I don't know how X sorts who you are following. I do know that in the past, Jackson Arnold has been on that list but wasn't the top name. Like I said though, it probably doesn't mean much. It does seem very likely that he ends up at Mississippi State, because he almost did it last season.
Lebby would tell you, and he has privately told people this, he should have gone after Arnold and not Gabriel last year. Arnold would have come last year and until they made all these promises to him, he was going to enter the portal anyways and come here and just compete with whoever we brought in.
The plan has been, and I checked on it yesterday after people told me I was wrong on Monday, and still is to bring in Arnold and let him compete with Van Buren/Shapen/another transfer. Arnold will win that battle and will be our QB in 25 and 26 while Kamario is getting ready and we will be ready to roll on the second year of the schedule change with the most physically gifted QB Lebby has ever coached and a veteran team.
In the words of Sam Hinkie, Trust The Process.
Last edited by StarkVegasSteve; 12-05-2024 at 10:22 AM.
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12-05-2024, 10:56 AM
#229

Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
Lebby would tell you, and he has privately told people this, he should have gone after Arnold and not Gabriel last year. Arnold would have come last year and until they made all these promises to him, he was going to enter the portal anyways and come here and just compete with whoever we brought in.
The plan has been, and I checked on it yesterday after people told me I was wrong on Monday, and still is to bring in Arnold and let him compete with Van Buren/Shapen/another transfer. Arnold will win that battle and will be our QB in 25 and 26 while Kamario is getting ready and we will be ready to roll on the second year of the schedule change with the most physically gifted QB Lebby has ever coached and a veteran team.
In the words of Sam Hinkie, Trust The Process.
I don't see any world where we have Arnold/MVB/SHapen in the QB room. Arnold is going to be demanding a big number and he can probably get it. MVB is demanding a big number, but I don't think he can get it.
Shapen is already being paid a solid number, and will he take a pay cut? If not, there is no way we can have all three on campus in the spring. You would be talking about 3.5 to 4.0 million in the QB room?
No chance that happens.
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12-05-2024, 11:06 AM
#230

Originally Posted by
HancockCountyDog
I don't see any world where we have Arnold/MVB/SHapen in the QB room. Arnold is going to be demanding a big number and he can probably get it. MVB is demanding a big number, but I don't think he can get it.
Shapen is already being paid a solid number, and will he take a pay cut? If not, there is no way we can have all three on campus in the spring. You would be talking about 3.5 to 4.0 million in the QB room?
No chance that happens.
Arnold's number isn't as big as you think. Van Buren's number is and I believe he will end up transferring. He is trying to maneuver his way to Auburn but he is more interested in them than vice versa. There's 4-5 names in front of him on their board. On Shapen, we have discussed things with him. He knows if he comes back it's at a much lower number and it's probably to be a backup. There's contigency plans already in place to go out and get a G5 guy to be a backup if Shapen and Van Buren both walk.
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12-05-2024, 11:21 AM
#231

Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
Arnold's number isn't as big as you think. Van Buren's number is and I believe he will end up transferring. He is trying to maneuver his way to Auburn but he is more interested in them than vice versa. There's 4-5 names in front of him on their board. On Shapen, we have discussed things with him. He knows if he comes back it's at a much lower number and it's probably to be a backup. There's contigency plans already in place to go out and get a G5 guy to be a backup if Shapen and Van Buren both walk.
I trust what you are saying on this, but I can't see how MVB decommits from Oregon because he wants to play for Lebby at Mississippi State and then decides that he'd rather play for Hugh Freeze at Auburn. It makes no sense. Hugh is the most overrated coach in the conference. His offense is a joke, and MVB will be committing career suicide if he made that move.
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12-05-2024, 11:26 AM
#232

Originally Posted by
KB21
I trust what you are saying on this, but I can't see how MVB decommits from Oregon because he wants to play for Lebby at Mississippi State and then decides that he'd rather play for Hugh Freeze at Auburn. It makes no sense. Hugh is the most overrated coach in the conference. His offense is a joke, and MVB will be committing career suicide if he made that move.
Because someone from Auburn, not affiliated with the staff, got in the ear of his representatives and told him how much Auburn would pay him. This happened after the UGA game. It's no coincidence that Van Buren was reposting a lot of the Auburn commits on his story yesterday.
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12-05-2024, 11:45 AM
#233
I think if it was today and MVB stuck to his number, Arnold would cost less. Let that sink in.
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12-05-2024, 11:49 AM
#234
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12-05-2024, 11:50 AM
#235

Originally Posted by
Really Clark?
I think if it was today and MVB stuck to his number, Arnold would cost less. Let that sink in.
Well then this is a no brainer.
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12-05-2024, 11:58 AM
#236

Originally Posted by
KB21
Auburn is going to be mentioned with every QB. They are on Salter harder than any of them right now though. That's Hugh's guy and who he wants. They are also in on Miller Moss. And the will be in on Noah Fifita once he enters. He is probably the one they would ditch Salter and go really hard after.
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12-05-2024, 12:02 PM
#237

Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
Auburn is going to be mentioned with every QB. They are on Salter harder than any of them right now though. That's Hugh's guy and who he wants. They are also in on Miller Moss. And the will be in on Noah Fifita once he enters. He is probably the one they would ditch Salter and go really hard after.
I saw this somewhere else, but any truth to the statement that David Turner is not currently under contract for next season?
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12-05-2024, 12:06 PM
#238

Originally Posted by
KB21
I saw this somewhere else, but any truth to the statement that David Turner is not currently under contract for next season?
His contract expires Jan 31. Holceck is the one that doesn't have a contract right now.
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12-05-2024, 12:09 PM
#239

Originally Posted by
KB21
I saw this somewhere else, but any truth to the statement that David Turner is not currently under contract for next season?
He is not. Neither is Barnes. Turner's contract won't be renewed and I do not believe Barnes' will. It's why I think you see Odom shift to Safeties, Coleman shift into STC coordinator and either keep the LBs or split them into inside/outside, and bring in a DC to coach that position or DL. Also a possibility we swing a big stick and try to get Freddie Roach from Bama to coach DL
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12-05-2024, 12:09 PM
#240

Originally Posted by
Really Clark?
His contract expires Jan 31. Holceck is the one that doesn't have a contract right now.
I am assuming that he is the most likely coach to be replaced at this point.
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