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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt3467 View Post
    Probably has a good bit to do with the reverend in his ear. Or at least I've heard AU wants him. Wouldn't surprise me anyway since they just lost two of their QBs to the portal.
    Auburn is muddying the water with nearly every possible transfer QB in the country. They are desperate and creating some chaos. I think we have settled what we are willing to do and not going to let them set our market on a player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt3467 View Post
    Probably has a good bit to do with the reverend in his ear. Or at least I've heard AU wants him. Wouldn't surprise me anyway since they just lost two of their QBs to the portal.
    They want every QB. Although I can go ahead and tell who their QB will be next year right now. It will be Kaidon Salter, the Liberty transfer. Hugh recruited him to Liberty and coached him his first year.

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    Do we know shapens timetable to return? Are we expecting a full recovery and would he be available for spring practice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbub50 View Post
    Do we know shapens timetable to return? Are we expecting a full recovery and would he be available for spring practice?
    He'll recover. Fully is probably off the table with his injury history. I doubt he's ready for spring, or at least that he'd be full go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve View Post
    He'll recover. Fully is probably off the table with his injury history. I doubt he's ready for spring, or at least that he'd be full go.
    Thanks. And this was his throwing shoulder? I heard possibly broken scapula when it happened. Is that correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt3467 View Post
    There's really no other guys we'd be interested in outside of Arnold? That's fine if we hold on to Shapen. I think Shapen has the tools to be one of the better QBs in the country if he can stay healthy and the line can protect.
    Shapen has yet to stay healthy for a season. It's not going to happen in 2025 either. Do not continue to waste money for a 2nd season
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coursesuper View Post
    MVB is asking for a large NIL deal. So we shall see.
    MVB is an interesting NIL case. Obviously he flashed potential as a true freshman starter - at the same time the results won't be strong enough for a median-or-above P4 team to pencil him in as a starter. And even the super rich programs won't want to overpay for a backup/future qb. And beyond that you assume he wants to start.

    So obviously there will be a lot of interest in him based on talent and potential but there may be a delta between his expectations on playing time and $ and the actual offers and guarantees he gets.

    If he is willing to compete for a job in a crowded room or fill a backup role for 1-2 years, he could command a big amount. Top high school quarterbacks are commanding over $10M now (for multi-year deals including performance incentives) - Rashada and Underwood for example. A 4/5 star guy with 3-to-play and some SEC-level tape to show could conceivably go for $1M+ per year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    Shapen has yet to stay healthy for a season. It's not going to happen in 2025 either. Do not continue to waste money for a 2nd season
    Agreed

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    I understand you guys point about shapen with injury past. No we should not overpay and we won’t. He won’t get big money from anyone because of that. But if he does stick around and take a cut, you never know. The thing with his situation, is that if I were gonna give him another chance to start, as a coach, I’d want to have him for spring. If that’s not the case, then it’s best to part ways unless he is willing to take 5 figures and plan on being the back up. His intangibles as far as being a good teammate and leader is off the charts. His arm talent is plus. His mobility is above average. Something inside me is really pulling for him.

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    He wont be able to do anything live in the Spring. Just group and indy work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve View Post
    So the plan I was told, and take it with a grain of salt because it was a month ago, was that we were bringing in Arnold. At that point, and this conversation has already happened if I had to guess, we would have talked to Van Buren to get his thoughts. If he was leaning towards leaving then we would bring Shapen back as an insurance policy. If Van Buren stayed and decided to battle Taylor for the job in 26, which was the plan when we signed him, then we would help Shapen get the extra year and find a transfer destination for him.
    I replied to this in portal thread, That was prior to arnold getting his job back. Don't expect him here. And unless something has changed, very recently, we are going to try to keep shapen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homedawg View Post
    I replied to this in portal thread, That was prior to arnold getting his job back. Don't expect him here. And unless something has changed, very recently, we are going to try to keep shapen.
    Arbuckle's offense may be an issue to Arnold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homedawg View Post
    I replied to this in portal thread, That was prior to arnold getting his job back. Don't expect him here. And unless something has changed, very recently, we are going to try to keep shapen.
    I replied in the portal thread but I will here too. It did not change. Especially with the hiring of Arbuckle. Jackson is not a fit for the Air Raid system. I still expect Arnold will be here. One game against Bama and Venables finally coming to his senses did not change anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brobi-wan View Post
    I imagine Arnold starts and Shapen either moves on when Arnold announces his commitment or stays to be quality depth. I like MVB, but he may not ever start if we get Arnold and Taylor
    You did watch Arnold play this year didn't you? Why in the hell would we want him here when he was getting saved by his defense against Bama. You have to be able to pass in lebbys offense not be Nicky part Deaux.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve View Post
    I replied in the portal thread but I will here too. It did not change. Especially with the hiring of Arbuckle. Jackson is not a fit for the Air Raid system. I still expect Arnold will be here. One game against Bama and Venables finally coming to his senses did not change anything.
    we are gettting conflicting info, which happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homedawg View Post
    we are gettting conflicting info, which happens.
    That it does. No way to know who's right until the portal opens. Be interesting to see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parabrave View Post
    You did watch Arnold play this year didn't you? Why in the hell would we want him here when he was getting saved by his defense against Bama. You have to be able to pass in lebbys offense not be Nicky part Deaux.
    Some. There?s no reason to believe he can?t improve with the right coach and system. I do think he would be competing with MVB. He?s been at college an extra year. He was in a system that he?s not fit to run. That happens. You can make an argument for Fitz to be a top 20 all time SEC QB. There?s no chance that in any other system than Dan?s he even sniffs that. If Lebby thinks Arnold can run his system and wants him, bring him. MVB has some some issues too and there was little improvement from Texas to OM. MVB is good, but if he was throwing to Arnold?s receivers and not Coleman and Craver, we might be saying to let him walk and throw Taylor in the fire. We already had posters on this board saying how much he sucks and it?s his fault we lost to OM. I was not one of them.

    If he comes he comes, if he doesn?t?he was never here anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brobi-wan View Post
    Some. There?s no reason to believe he can?t improve with the right coach and system. I do think he would be competing with MVB. He?s been at college an extra year. He was in a system that he?s not fit to run. That happens. You can make an argument for Fitz to be a top 20 all time SEC QB. There?s no chance that in any other system than Dan?s he even sniffs that. If Lebby thinks Arnold can run his system and wants him, bring him. MVB has some some issues too and there was little improvement from Texas to OM. MVB is good, but if he was throwing to Arnold?s receivers and not Coleman and Craver, we might be saying to let him walk and throw Taylor in the fire. We already had posters on this board saying how much he sucks and it?s his fault we lost to OM. I was not one of them.

    If he comes he comes, if he doesn?t?he was never here anyways.
    Might be so but in this day and age of CFB the main question is how much is he gonna coast when we have really more glaring issues than to bring in someone to "push" the starter. We apparently have the next Joe Burrow in line to take over in 2 years so thats gonna cost us more. We need to spend money on a QB Coach who can teach MVB and others. Remember everyone needs to watch Moneyball cause thats where MSU and about 80% of all colleges are at now. We can not afford to have an Arch sit on the bench for 2 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parabrave View Post
    Might be so but in this day and age of CFB the main question is how much is he gonna coast when we have really more glaring issues than to bring in someone to "push" the starter. We apparently have the next Joe Burrow in line to take over in 2 years so thats gonna cost us more. We need to spend money on a QB Coach who can teach MVB and others. Remember everyone needs to watch Moneyball cause thats where MSU and about 80% of all colleges are at now. We can not afford to have an Arch sit on the bench for 2 years.
    I think yours is a fair assessment. If MVB isn’t ready to start, who would you go get? Asking out of curiosity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brobi-wan View Post
    I think yours is a fair assessment. If MVB isn’t ready to start, who would you go get? Asking out of curiosity.
    Have no idea but having 2 alpha males at the same position really doesn't work. Just ask Craig Morton and Steve Young. And MVB should be ready and if Lebby can't get him ready then he needs to re-evaluate his career path. And Arnold isn't coming here to play 2nd Fiddle. He seems to do better in a Dan Merles offense than an offense where you have to put a football in a teacup 40 yards downfield. And MVB has shown he can do that. And another thing about Arnold is ever since Lebby was announced as HC a few posters started out as saying that we were getting Dillon Gaberal (sp) then when we didn't get him that we would be getting Arnold. And since since some make predictions then they can never let it go. Remember when Steve Guidry was to be our next Eric Moulds and a few in the know posters who propped him up could never admit they were wrong. Also if Lebby needed him why didn't he get him to come here instead of Shapen?
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