So this is what hell is like

[R2Dawg]

If Leach was so bad at recruiting how come the offense is light years better than the defense right now?

Leach let Arnett have a la carte recruiting on defense plus Arnett was able to keep his system in place one full year longer. And guess who recruited most of the guys on defense right now? Arnett.

Because Leach didn't care about recruiting defense. O is good because Lebby brought in some talent in year 1. A good HC don't turn over recruiting to anyone. Never said CZA was a great recruiter. He was over his head which is why a HC should never turn over that to a young asst coach.

[Todd4State]

No one is against a HC winning 9 games or 8 games. What big wins did we really have? OM in 22 is about it. Others were teams that were either 500 teams or had losing records at end of year. LSU in game 1, well we learned LSU sucked that year later and so did we. Yeah if felt good for that day but that was it.

Kinda like the 8-0, we believe year. We had a solid team but we didn't really beat anybody that year but we were also building a program and you could see it.

I ain't brought up Leach since he died. Can we let him RIP and quit blaming fans? This is what is wrong with MSU fan base. They follow a guy not a team, school or program. I came to MSU games when a bunch of HC we had I didn't like because I am an MSU alumni and fan.

You're the one that brought up Leach not me. And yes beating Ole Miss was a big win that year. We are one of the few teams that has beaten them at home the past three years where they have been almost unbeatable. Arkansas and Illinois were solid wins too. Auburn 2021 was pretty memorable as it was the biggest comeback in school history. LSU was memorable because we only broke their at the time longest winning streak in school history and set the SEC record for passing in a game.

And don't tell me about be how MSU fans should be nice to each other and how you support the team and program and not a person while you are literally running down a guy who was the coach of the team who you claimed to pull for.

If Georgia loses to Tennessee and Ole Miss wins out do you think their fans are going to talk down about their season even though they lost to Kentucky and hadn't beat a team that finished the regular season better than 9-3?

Our fans like you would and have and that's why I keep calling them out for it.

[Todd4State]

Because Leach didn't care about recruiting defense. O is good because Lebby brought in some talent in year 1. A good HC don't turn over recruiting to anyone. Never said CZA was a great recruiter. He was over his head which is why a HC should never turn over that to a young asst coach.

He "didn't care" not care. He let Arnett handle it rather than micromanage something that wasn't his specialty. Which is good management. Unfortunately the guy in charge of the defense sucked at recruiting and then MSU double downed by hiring him as the head coach.

Lebby did bring in better talent but even two years removed from Leach there was a much better foundation in that side of the ball because of better recruiting there. Making it much easier to turn over.

[NorthMs Dawg]

We went to the Ole Miss game with some friends last night. I wanted to see Georgia in person! Both SEC Nation and Barstool were set up. I'm not a big Brandon Walker fan but I understand he plays the wrestling heel part and it was funny watching him get abused and his comebacks. The Grove was absolutely on fire. The whole gameday experience has to be in the top 10 in the country. We had to stand because everyone around us was standing. It was crazy. We have the flashing lights at our high school, but those are another level. I'm coming in for the Missouri game and making plans for the Egg Bowl.

We have to do something to close the gap in the gameday experience. I'm not sure what other than trying to hire their person away.

[Maroonthirteen]

The offense is 71 and 73 in total offense and scoring offense. Light years is a bit of a stretch.

[Cooterpoot]

They aren't flipping him. Hell, every time the kid takes a visit, On3 puts him a crystal ball to that school. Remember who runs On3...

Actually, it's been rumored for a couple weeks now

[Todd4State]

The offense is 71 and 73 in total offense and scoring offense. Light years is a bit of a stretch.

Defense is 120 in scoring and 128 in total defense out of 134 teams.

Offense is average which is yes light years ahead of the defense right now.

[MBDawg601]

We don't have good players now partly because of Leach recruiting that is fact. We don't have good coaching now because of other stuff.

I didn't start this BS; I've let Leach go but the Leach train can't do it. He had one good year in 3. We sucked for 2 years and there was a lot a real bad football and coaching those years. We won 8 with Leach with an easy schedule. All schedules ain't the same ask OM or MSU this year.

No excuses for this coaching staff; you haven't read any of my posts doesn't look like. Hire a modern day HC and get back with me not a 4 decade old mentality HC and we are doing something then.

I came on here to defend a guy, because I know for a fact that we were in a much better spot while Leach was here and had we made a good hire after his passing, we would not be in this dumpster fire. In the era of portal and NIL, most of people that came to play for Leach are long gone. We can stop blaming him now.

[BankerDog]

We don't have good players now partly because of Leach recruiting that is fact. We don't have good coaching now because of other stuff.

I didn't start this BS; I've let Leach go but the Leach train can't do it. He had one good year in 3. We sucked for 2 years and there was a lot a real bad football and coaching those years. We won 8 with Leach with an easy schedule. All schedules ain't the same ask OM or MSU this year.

No excuses for this coaching staff; you haven't read any of my posts doesn't look like. Hire a modern day HC and get back with me not a 4 decade old mentality HC and we are doing something then.

R2 would rather win 3 games with a hard schedule than 8 with an easy. Okay got it.

Wins are wins idiot.