2025 MSU Football Recruiting Thread

[Bothrops]

He's about to finish bottom 10, maybe bottom 5 in America in defense and is about to lose just about every recruit-more bad news is coming. We'll give him and others on that staff the boot.

As long as effort improves in games I believe he's here next year, because he was selected by Lebby. The problem is kids don't care about improvement, they care about money, brand , and name recognition. This is going to get stupid expensive just trying to get off the basement.

[Todd4State]

As long as effort improves in games I believe he's here next year, because he was selected by Lebby. The problem is kids don't care about improvement, they care about money, brand , and name recognition. This is going to get stupid expensive just trying to get off the basement.

I guess it depends on how attached Lebby is to him. I think we really wanted Durkin and A&M messed us over. Turner I'm sure is gone regardless. None of the defensive staff I would lose sleep over losing honestly.

If it were me I would try to go after Kentucky's DC. Stoops isn't going to be there a lot longer I don't think based on him going after the A&M job last year.

I'd certainly be fine with a guy like Greg Gasperato, Nate Woody, or Shiel Wood.

When recruits aren't staying committed it makes me think that the boosters aren't sold on him. And that's kind of a job death sentence.

[Cooterpoot]

As long as effort improves in games I believe he's here next year, because he was selected by Lebby. The problem is kids don't care about improvement, they care about money, brand , and name recognition. This is going to get stupid expensive just trying to get off the basement.

Nothing has improved on defense. Not one thing has changed. We gave up over 600 yards this past week and over 500 the week before. We're about to lose several recruits as well. Hutzler and that staff was a correctable mistake. This is a historically bad defense at State and in the SEC.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I guess it depends on how attached Lebby is to him. I think we really wanted Durkin and A&M messed us over. Turner I'm sure is gone regardless. None of the defensive staff I would lose sleep over losing honestly.

If it were me I would try to go after Kentucky's DC. Stoops isn't going to be there a lot longer I don't think based on him going after the A&M job last year.

I'd certainly be fine with a guy like Greg Gasperato, Nate Woody, or Shiel Wood.

When recruits aren't staying committed it makes me think that the boosters aren't sold on him. And that's kind of a job death sentence.

We definitely wanted Durkin. I know that for a fact and have heard it from multiple boosters. A&M did screw us on that. On the defensive recruiting front, I mean we have heard for months that Henry was going to be tough to keep because his handlers had their hands out. I still think we have a shot with him once he realizes that Bama is going to recruit over him in the portal plus his relationship with Lebby. And if not, then you get to portaling.

On Coleman, there are plans in place there. I doubt we see him back as DC next year, but I do think he will remain on the staff.

[TrapGame]

We definitely wanted Durkin. I know that for a fact and have heard it from multiple boosters. A&M did screw us on that. On the defensive recruiting front, I mean we have heard for months that Henry was going to be tough to keep because his handlers had their hands out. I still think we have a shot with him once he realizes that Bama is going to recruit over him in the portal plus his relationship with Lebby. And if not, then you get to portaling.

On Coleman, there are plans in place there. I doubt we see him back as DC next year, but I do think he will remain on the staff.

How's the relationship with Durkin and Freeze?

[StarkVegasSteve]

How's the relationship with Durkin and Freeze?

Bad would be understating it. But Durkin was forced on him to begin with. It's like any coaches with Hugh, if you weren't on those original Ark State or OM staffs then your dispensable to him.

[TrapGame]

Bad would be understating it. But Durkin was forced on him to begin with. It's like any coaches with Hugh, if you weren't on those original Ark State or OM staffs then your dispensable to him.

So, you're saying there's a chance? ***

[KB21]

I hate to tell those of you who think firing or demoting Hutzler will immediately make the defense better. It won't. This defense wouldn't be good if Nick Saban coached it. The talent simply isn't there/hasn't been developed.

Basically, this comes down to the fact. If we had been able to hire DJ Durkin, this defense would still be as bad as it is now. However, it would be OK to some of you because you knew who DJ Durkin was prior to him getting the job.

[TrapGame]

I hate to tell those of you who think firing or demoting Hutzler will immediately make the defense better. It won't. This defense wouldn't be good if Nick Saban coached it. The talent simply isn't there/hasn't been developed.

Basically, this comes down to the fact. If we had been able to hire DJ Durkin, this defense would still be as bad as it is now. However, it would be OK to some of you because you knew who DJ Durkin was prior to him getting the job.

If you think Durkin would not be doing a better job than Hutzler right now, then I can't help you. I guarantee you those vacant gaps vs Florida would not have been there. And he sure would not have let Skeeter Bo run on a three man front for an entire half of football.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If you think Durkin would not be doing a better job than Hutzler right now, then I can't help you. I guarantee you those vacant gaps vs Florida would not have been there. And he sure would not have let Skeeter Bo run on a three man front for an entire half of football.

You're probably both right. Schematically we may have been better, but the talent isn't going to get better this year. I mean schematically, Coleman has called two really solid games against Texas and UGA, but our D just isn't very good. I mean against Texas we were there, but couldn't wrap up. Against UGA we were in position but couldn't finish the play. And had our offense not completely checked out in the first half, we beat ASU.

[KB21]

You're probably both right. Schematically we may have been better, but the talent isn't going to get better this year. I mean schematically, Coleman has called two really solid games against Texas and UGA, but our D just isn't very good. I mean against Texas we were there, but couldn't wrap up. Against UGA we were in position but couldn't finish the play. And had our offense not completely checked out in the first half, we beat ASU.

Coleman and Durkin call almost the exact same scheme. Another thing that cracks me up is this idea that you can have four on the ball, but if one is standing up instead of in a three-point stance, that it is really a 3-man line.

[KB21]

This defense wouldn't be a top 100 defense if Nick Saban was coaching it.

[Pancho]

we didn't have enough available healthy DL @ AZ State to hardly use and rotate properly. skeeter boo will make money in the league

[Cooterpoot]

Anyone that thinks our talent on defense isn't as good as W. KY and Buffalo are fools. Anyone that refuses to adjust until the game is over against ASU is a fool.
And for those claiming we don't have talent, tell me who he's recruiting that's going to fix this. We just lost two of our top recruits and are about to lose two others. It's so bad it's almost funny.

[Pancho]

could any of our defense start at buffalo or W KY?

[KB21]

Well, it appears that much like with Arnett and his outdated ineffective "You have to establish the run" philosophy was stupid, it's going to take making a coaching change, inducing even more instability into the program, and hiring an "established" defensive coordinator who won't be any better than Hutzler with the current talent on the team to realize that the defensive issues this season are very clearly not a coaching issue.

Just like I was right about Arnett and his decisions to take the offense back to the dark ages, I'm right on this.

[StarkVegasSteve]

could any of our defense start at buffalo or W KY?

Issac Smith, Brice Pollock, Stone Blanton, Nic Mitchell, Trevion Williams, and John Lewis would all at the G5 level. Brylan Lanier would start at S since we have him playing out of position. DeAgo Brumfield would start. Corey Ellington would start. Again, our problem is not talent in the back 7 or 8. It's depth. It's talent and depth in the front 3 or 4.

[Cooterpoot]

could any of our defense start at buffalo or W KY?

LOL, yes

[BankerDog]

Anyone that thinks our talent on defense isn't as good as W. KY and Buffalo are fools. Anyone that refuses to adjust until the game is over against ASU is a fool.
And for those claiming we don't have talent, tell me who he's recruiting that's going to fix this. We just lost two of our top recruits and are about to lose two others. It's so bad it's almost funny.

Two of those recruits were to better programs with more prestige than ours. That?s it. USC paid more money to a HS kid than we were willing to give. I respect us not getting into that bidding war.

The issue is the DL Coach whom we just had to have back has not recruited well enough over the last two years. Especially last year which was the reason we brought him back to take advantage of the DL in the state. When several posters brought up the glaring and obvious issue of his lack of recruiting we were told ?several of those players weren?t good? (Franklin, Echols, etc). Turner is living off what he did 10 years ago when he had time to develop guys like AJ Jefferson, Ryan Brown, Preston Smith, Nelson Adams. Well times have changed and he needs to either step up in a hurry or get gone.

[Brobi-wan]

Two of those recruits were to better programs with more prestige than ours. That?s it. USC paid more money to a HS kid than we were willing to give. I respect us not getting into that bidding war.

The issue is the DL Coach whom we just had to have back has not recruited well enough over the last two years. Especially last year which was the reason we brought him back to take advantage of the DL in the state. When several posters brought up the glaring and obvious issue of his lack of recruiting we were told ?several of those players weren?t good? (Franklin, Echols, etc). Turner is living off what he did 10 years ago when he had time to develop guys like AJ Jefferson, Ryan Brown, Preston Smith, Nelson Adams. Well times have changed and he needs to either step up in a hurry or get gone.

Spot on. I think he likely will be gone. DL is our worst unit by far. We don?t really know anything about our coverage because the line can?t generate much pressure. It doesn?t matter who we hire. Not sure they could be worse.